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Remove Shai leggings/censorship, same as global!
Jan 29, 2021, 19:12 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Nov 4, 2022, 21:15 (UTC)
# 351

I mentioned this to some Shai frens and a reaction I got a few times was about heterochromia(different colored eyes)

Although its not in line with the main focus of this thread, it is something we would have gained if PA switched us onto global patch as suggested. So I wanted to bring it back up for consideration as this is likely the last time that Shai cosmetics will be a focus for a while(apparently there are other things going on in bdo which deserve dev attention 😬) Not super important I assume but if its

as easy as checking a box maybe give it a look while they're at it ^^

Last Edit : Nov 4, 2022, 22:03 (UTC)
# 352

Hi GM Vedir,

Glad you guys are going to come up with a solution to the issue. The solution should be free to all shai players. I have like 5 pajamas in my inventory because I was trying to get the bearhug set. Since it doesn't clip through clothing. Aside from that, what I want to address is this alleged difference in region and culture. 

The first thing is it never ever had to do with giving shai revealing outfits. It's always been about the ugly leggings clipping through outfits or just flat out ruining them. But the second thing is let's not pretend that in the USA there is some magical censorship when it comes to children's outfits. Because I dont know about you big homie but the last time I checked was when you go to the beach or swimming pool children are there with their swim outfits. And no one cares. The way you guys make it seem like there is some censorship here in the west when it comes to that, but it's not. You can simply google children on the beach or pool in the usa and you will see photos of you guessed it. Children in swimsuits. You can go on amazon and do the same thing. So it makes no sense. So I think the correct statement would be that its Korea's "interpretation" of western culture differences. So, it's not at all accurate. Furthermore, why aren't the rest of the shai npcs censored in the game then? The entire thing makes no sense.

And lastly in regards to the trolls who scream pedo. Understand they likely have real issues going on, either they are victims of abuse or they are abusers themselves. Because no normal person is going to associate a fictional character in game with pedos. In addition those same people do not become vocal about killing shai in game and associating it with violence against children. Because last time I checked, people enjoy killing Shai players they see for fun. But that is perfectly fine, right....right?? 

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 04:57 (UTC)
# 353
On: Jan 29, 2021, 19:12 (UTC), Written by Kelthana

With PA now self-publishing in NA/EU, there might be a chance to revisit this topic.

 

I'd like to see Shai in NA/EU the same as on global and in many other regions: Not forced to wear leggings, which ruin many outfits, which were clearly not designed with them in mind!

 

Arguments for and against this have been thrown back and forth a long time ago.

 

I think, this kind of censorship is just stupid, catering to a certain "pedo!" shouting crowd, while at the same time giving them the opportunity to shout even louder at anyone wanting to remove this censorship again.

These forced leggings are patronizing and insulting, wanting to have them removed is a matter of principle for many (in addition to not ruining the outfits), nothing else.

 

In addtition, I am hoping for a true global build, with no regional differences (except the necessary localization). This would be one step towards that goal.

Shai = Sounds like a child, Acts like a kid, looks like an underage . Yet you want to see more skin from it. no thats weird to ask stop sexualize this class, because you think it's eye candy to you. Get help.

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 06:43 (UTC)
# 354
On: Nov 4, 2022, 18:04 (UTC), Written by [CM]Vedir

Greetings, Adventurers. 

First and foremost, we want to thank Adventurer Kelthana and others who took their time and effort to share feedback on our forums. Regarding their feedback about Shai's default appearance, although we've previously discussed and reviewed this topic internally in the past, we decided to revisit it with the opening of the Adventurer Feedback Board on October 19. 

When Shai was first introduced to the NAEU regions, we took into consideration the differences in regional audiences and culture, leading us to implement a different approach to how Shai's default appearance would appear. After reviewing the passionate discussions in this thread, we saw that while there were Adventurers asking for changes, there were also many others asking for it to remain the same or even offering alternative suggestions as well. 

And so, at this moment in time, we do not have any plans to change Shai's default appearance, but we believe that the central crux of this discussion can be addressed without dissatisfying Adventurers who prefer the current appearance.  

As a result, rather than changing the Shai's default appearance, we're currently preparing the addition of more undergarment choices for Shai to support all Adventurers. This will give the freedom to further customize their beloved characters based on how each individual sees fit in terms of censorship. We'll announce more information in our patch notes and notices once everything is finalized. 

Once again, we want to thank our Adventurers for taking the time and effort in sharing their feedback. We look forward to your continued support. 

Thank you, GM Vedir! 

Will the Shai be able to exchange the existing underwear they have for the new underwear sets being released at no additional charge?

Additionally, I would recommend some of the outfits to have PANTS/leggings included in their design. For example: The Twinkle Star and the Tick Tock Detective...

As for the people crying pedo for Shai wanting different underwear sets, allow me to illustrate the failings of your inability to comprehend the actual subject matter. The ONLY people sexualizing a shai are you people that are worried about people sexualizing shai. What we want.... is to be able to wear this dress:

...and not have a horrible shirt showing through underneath. Not quite sure what you find sexual about that, but you might want to seek help if you do.

Cheers,

Rainbow

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 11:22 (UTC)
# 355
On: Nov 5, 2022, 04:57 (UTC), Written by DragonicRoar

Shai = Sounds like a child, Acts like a kid, looks like an underage . Yet you want to see more skin from it. no thats weird to ask stop sexualize this class, because you think it's eye candy to you. Get help.

So what you are saying is that pearl abyss themselves sexualized the class and every other region in the world that has Shai uncensored are pedos. This argument seems quite familiar. It doesn't have any basis in reality.

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 13:31 (UTC)
# 356
On: Nov 5, 2022, 11:22 (UTC), Written by Vanraven

So what you are saying is that pearl abyss themselves sexualized the class and every other region in the world that has Shai uncensored are pedos. This argument seems quite familiar. It doesn't have any basis in reality.

Let me Be clear to what im saying : The sexual exploitation of children is one of the worst forms of evil imaginable.
we have different culture and morals. we agree on things and disagree on others  but doesnt mean when you come to our media and advertise your product we are forced to accept it. we are asking them to respect our rules.
 
Korean or asian in general infested with articles about pedo communtiy all over there specially japan and korea. here some example if u want to read! even thu u can do simple google and find out how it's spread out there. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-south-korea-dismantle-secret-online-network-that-shared-thousands-of-videos-of-child-sexual-abuse/2019/10/16/cdae13c2-eb63-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 13:55 (UTC)
# 357
On: Nov 5, 2022, 13:29 (UTC), Written by DragonicRoar

Let me Be clear to what im saying : The sexual exploitation of children is one of the worst forms of evil imaginable.
we have different culture and morals. we agree on things and disagree on others  but doesnt mean when you come to our media and advertise your product we are forced to accept it. we are asking them to respect our rules.
 
Korean or asian in general infested with articles about pedo communtiy all over there specially japan and korea. here some example if u want to read! even thu u can do simple google and find out how it's spread out there. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-south-korea-dismantle-secret-online-network-that-shared-thousands-of-videos-of-child-sexual-abuse/2019/10/16/cdae13c2-eb63-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

ok but except in black desert pearl abyss doesnt use children, but only alien like this alien

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 13:57 (UTC)
# 358
On: Nov 5, 2022, 06:43 (UTC), Written by Rainbows

Thank you, GM Vedir! 

Will the Shai be able to exchange the existing underwear they have for the new underwear sets being released at no additional charge?

Additionally, I would recommend some of the outfits to have PANTS/leggings included in their design. For example: The Twinkle Star and the Tick Tock Detective...

As for the people crying pedo for Shai wanting different underwear sets, allow me to illustrate the failings of your inability to comprehend the actual subject matter. The ONLY people sexualizing a shai are you people that are worried about people sexualizing shai. What we want.... is to be able to wear this dress:

...and not have a horrible shirt showing through underneath. Not quite sure what you find sexual about that, but you might want to seek help if you do.

Cheers,

Rainbow

Thanks for illustrating how horrible the censorship is in this game without proper underwear. It's so hideous! I'm glad they will release selectable undies because spending $33 on a costume only for it to be ugly in the end is unacceptable.

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 16:56 (UTC)
# 359
On: Nov 5, 2022, 13:29 (UTC), Written by DragonicRoar

Let me Be clear to what im saying : The sexual exploitation of children is one of the worst forms of evil imaginable.
we have different culture and morals. we agree on things and disagree on others  but doesnt mean when you come to our media and advertise your product we are forced to accept it. we are asking them to respect our rules.
 
Korean or asian in general infested with articles about pedo communtiy all over there specially japan and korea. here some example if u want to read! even thu u can do simple google and find out how it's spread out there. 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/legal-issues/us-south-korea-dismantle-secret-online-network-that-shared-thousands-of-videos-of-child-sexual-abuse/2019/10/16/cdae13c2-eb63-11e9-9c6d-436a0df4f31d_story.html

I agree with you that sexual exploitation of children is horrible. But what does any of that have to do with Shai? Shai isn't real and she doesn't resemble any human being I've ever seen. No human has a head that large and furthermore you can make Shai nearly the same height as tamer. But none of this is the point. 

The question is how does sexual exploitation relate to shai? Looking at your previous reply, you are saying that replacing her pajamas so they dont clip through her costumes = sexual exploitation. You would have to bring up some hard stats to back up your claim. Furthermore, if your fears were true then where are all these pedos at on global labs? You do know shai is uncensored there right? And you do know that NA/EU has full access to global labs right? So why isn't anything happening? 

Its a silly arguement and quite frankly a conversation that shouldn't even be taking place, since your fears aren't real. But here is what is real. According to the FBI themselves:

https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/child-predators

"Pedophiles go where children are. Before the Internet, that meant places such as amusement parks and zoos. Today, the virtual world makes it alarmingly simple for pedophiles—often pretending to be teens themselves—to make contact with young people"

In short, in terms of video games. Pedos go where actual children are. This could be a game like minecraft or any other game that actual children play. Last time I checked there are no 8 year olds playing BDO and a pedos goal wouldn't be to create a Shai to stare at her. But to actually try to connect with the children playing it.

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 19:06 (UTC)
# 360
On: Nov 5, 2022, 13:57 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

Thanks for illustrating how horrible the censorship is in this game without proper underwear. It's so hideous! I'm glad they will release selectable undies because spending $33 on a costume only for it to be ugly in the end is unacceptable.

Often times, words are hard for internet trolls, so to be able to communicate the point effectively, one needs to use visual aids. :)

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