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#Tamer
Tamer is finally dead
Nov 12, 2021, 20:38 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 01:39 (UTC)
# 11

May I remind you that wizard and witch all got their Large Scale nerfs when it was their turn as they were too strong there. It was a long time coming for tamer as well. Just because it's 1v1 and the lolicon class is unpopular doesnt mean it should be immune to nerfs.

 

There is no way you can justify the amount of safe CC that class has and its protection with treeclimb.

 

Also, tamer is far from the only 1v1-only class (which it isnt actually but anyway), ever tried playing awakening hashashin? For a duelist class tamer has dominated for far too long.

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Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 07:04 (UTC)
# 12
On: Nov 13, 2021, 01:37 (UTC), Written by Fietro

May I remind you that wizard and witch all got their Large Scale nerfs when it was their turn as they were too strong there. It was a long time coming for tamer as well. Just because it's 1v1 and the lolicon class is unpopular doesnt mean it should be immune to nerfs.

 

There is no way you can justify the amount of safe CC that class has and its protection with treeclimb.

 

Also, tamer is far from the only 1v1-only class (which it isnt actually but anyway), ever tried playing awakening hashashin? For a duelist class tamer has dominated for far too long.

Thing is that tamer, unless you have only -560gs players or +100gs compared to the others is not really reliable outside of 1v1's since you get blown up by anything. You can't really combo, you just go in, Beast Rampage, go out (if you have the BON on it) or you can hope for the enemy to get cc'd with LBD (using its BON) but then you can't combo because otherwise you die. But basically when you fight a tamer, you have to watch grab's cd and Fearful's and then it's pretty easy to counter.

If the opponents are bad, which is also what happens in 80% of the situations, tamer is strong tho, I'll give you that. There are almost no tamer playing pvp, so a lot of ppl just never trained against it.

 

But i guess that with heilang dmg buff and the range attacks mechanics, we will be consered as a range class ? :)

Also I don't think that making us able to cross the desert faster thanks to Heilang without having to buy a unicorn is good enough to balance with PVP nerfs. Just putting it out there.

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 11:05 (UTC)
# 13

Don't waste your time writing a wall of text none will read/care for it dev do what they want not what was requested for the major part of the things they do some requested stuff so it looks like they care for ...

 

Love that they said rework target it to get on par with the last released classes and they keep doing things that are far from this target 

and you see how they use the feedback that was put all this years ...

 

So do yourself a favor and don't waste your time with retarded and toxic players and devs, at the end when only pearlwhales and pearl abyss are in this game they will understand, the process is started it will be finished with that so-called "rework"

 

 

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 17:47 (UTC)
# 14
On: Nov 13, 2021, 01:37 (UTC), Written by Fietro

May I remind you that wizard and witch all got their Large Scale nerfs when it was their turn as they were too strong there. It was a long time coming for tamer as well. Just because it's 1v1 and the lolicon class is unpopular doesnt mean it should be immune to nerfs.

 

There is no way you can justify the amount of safe CC that class has and its protection with treeclimb.

 

Also, tamer is far from the only 1v1-only class (which it isnt actually but anyway), ever tried playing awakening hashashin? For a duelist class tamer has dominated for far too long.

"The amount of safe CC that class has"? Wut? 

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 18:10 (UTC)
# 15
On: Nov 13, 2021, 01:37 (UTC), Written by Fietro

May I remind you that wizard and witch all got their Large Scale nerfs when it was their turn as they were too strong there. It was a long time coming for tamer as well. Just because it's 1v1 and the lolicon class is unpopular doesnt mean it should be immune to nerfs.

 

There is no way you can justify the amount of safe CC that class has and its protection with treeclimb.

 

Also, tamer is far from the only 1v1-only class (which it isnt actually but anyway), ever tried playing awakening hashashin? For a duelist class tamer has dominated for far too long.

The ammount of protected cc we have is justified by the stupid delay that all of them have. How would you expect us to play with unprotected ccs that have a delay to them making them easily punishable, plus as a wizard you shouldnt even care about those protected ccs because you can just SA trade them or most of them are designed to be anti engages for melee classes that ranged classes doesnt even care about (as a wizzard you'll never step into a void lightning, nor be in range for a fearful trembling, and you'll TP away the moment a tamer aproaches you with a scratch).

 

Tree climb was justified as it has a counter to it which is if you land into another player, which a lot of classes can abuse.

 

Also our 1v1 reign was severely decreasedyear by year since the 2018 rework to protections and ccs. Ninja, hash, warrior, succ valk, sage, succ wizz pre nerfs, awakeing sorc, awakening lahn, nova, all those classes are or have been at some point equally strong or stronger than tamer at 1v1 on top of being also good to top tier in large scale, and coincidentally all of them have had large ammounts of people rerolling to them the moment they became strong, which never happened with tamer. Let's face it, if tamer was that strong, everyone would play her as it had happened with every class that has been strong since coupons started to be a thing.

 

Not only that, but classes that are already strong are also getting buffs, which is already an indirect nerf to tamer.

 

These reboots were supposed to bring old classes on par with newer ones, and right now solely by the nerf to scratch, surging and tree climb the class is in a worse state than before the reboot, because all the buffs we have recieved were more QoL changes than an actual rework.

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 18:20 (UTC)
# 16
On: Nov 12, 2021, 23:34 (UTC), Written by Windrunner99

you can literally spam i frame and use your pet to do a low risk stun..... try playing a class that cant do any of that

 

I would gladly give my WW to dks in exchange of your 3 iframes with CD, thank you. For a class whose playerbase has been a crybaby for 3 years about your iframes having a gap, I would laught my ass watching you cry about the gap our WW has. Hell, being a good tamer comes with knowing how to use WW as least as possible because spamming it just gets you killed.

 

Honestly, I think we even use WW with less frequency than DKs use their 3 iframes even when we dont have cd on it and you do, just because of that stupid gap that get us killed every time we use WW more than 2 times in a row. Your understanding of tamer is just laughtable

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 19:51 (UTC)
# 17
On: Nov 13, 2021, 18:20 (UTC), Written by Rubydrag

I would gladly give my WW to dks in exchange of your 3 iframes with CD, thank you. For a class whose playerbase has been a crybaby for 3 years about your iframes having a gap, I would laught my ass watching you cry about the gap our WW has. Hell, being a good tamer comes with knowing how to use WW as least as possible because spamming it just gets you killed.

 

Honestly, I think we even use WW with less frequency than DKs use their 3 iframes even when we dont have cd on it and you do, just because of that stupid gap that get us killed every time we use WW more than 2 times in a row. Your understanding of tamer is just laughtable

Emh do you realise DK has only 2 iframes, of which as it is now, if you do them in a row you burn both cause they're not split? We don't have a grab, we are not ranged, we can't fight some matchups cause no grab, and you cry because you can't spam that anymore lol what a class carried game is this

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 19:58 (UTC)
# 18
On: Nov 13, 2021, 01:01 (UTC), Written by 1Yoda1Jade1



The iframe is Partial.
2, dont blame the Pet blame the class you're against. Its in the kit, what do you want DK's to do? not use their Confetti and crayons to do dmg???
lastly, you seem to have so much passion for a class that not even regarded in high teir node and seige content, nor is she even meta, or desirable in guilds. Your argument is completely misplaced.

So wait, you're saying that since DK  (especially succ) is bad in everything, 1vs1 cause no grab, mass pvp cause no range, we can't speak? You're basically admitting you and most of the player base, together with top guilds, is CLASS CARRIED. And do you know why beaindead people like you can speak like this? Cause we don't have a grab, else we would fight with the same tools and only the most skilled would beat the other. 

A game is skill based only if people are fighting with similar moveset and tools. Otherwise, it's just another class carried game. Now go grab players, pretending to be skilled

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 19:59 (UTC)
# 19
On: Nov 12, 2021, 23:34 (UTC), Written by Windrunner99

you can literally spam i frame and use your pet to do a low risk stun..... try playing a class that cant do any of that

Ignore them, they have been playing on easy mode, they cry about not spamming the best cc in game while some other full melee class have none of that, but in exchange got big balls

Last Edit : Nov 13, 2021, 21:12 (UTC)
# 20

Just a reminder that because DK is mostly melee in Preawakening that she is not pure melee/not ranged like Tamer.
DK, in her Preawakening kit alone, has 2 character-bound ranged CCs, +1 if you count the one where you must jump to cast it. Both of which were given great QoL in the reboot efforts.

DK has her issues, but it seems you are gravely misinformed even of your own class, and Tamer too.

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