Just like people will whine on the forums about the consequences for murdering other players and proceed to victim shame them?  How dare they attempt to grind the same mobs as me with less gear!  How dare they come back and die again!  Not an entitled opinion at all /s.

Arsha fixes nothing.  It's a good place to go when you want to PVP, or, grind while PVP-ing.  To grind in peace, it is not.

Also, there is no such thing as a "PVE server" in BDO.  This quote of yours tries to paint normal channels as a "PVE server", by what, your own definiton?  "If you are hitting Alt-C on servers meant for people to PvE on it's because you want to go red or are willing to take that chance."

These are not "PVE servers".  Reality check - These are PvPvE servers = AKA 'normal servers', with normal Karma penalties.  How are these "meant for people to PVE on" when PVP can be enabled?  Are you thinking straight, my guy?

You accuse me of cherry picking, while simultaneously not providing any reference to said cherry picking, and continue by asserting your own, personal opinion and bias towards pure PVE as truth.

Bottom line:  If I am peacefully grinding a rotation, minding my own business, and someone comes into said rotation and starts to hit mobs, who ignores ALL cordial dialogue, like "Hey, I'm finishing up a LS, gonna be done is 20 mins", and continues to hit mobs in that rotation, I have every justification to take that in a negative way.  It's blatant disrespect of one's time and game experience.  JUST LIKE someone is able to take being unfairly killed, or pushed out of a spot in a negative way too.  What the PROBLEM BEING DISCUSSED is, is Karma Bombing -- the act of purposefully body-throwing oneself, or purposefully dying, to another with the intent to lower the opposition's Karma by coersing them into flagging by causing unrest.  Unrest can be caused by perceived disrespect and acts of entitlement, among other things.  Sometimes, Karma Bombers will remove gear to increase the Karma loss, this is a clear exploit.

Basically, when someone is being a JERK, it's usually not taken without some level of "unrest".  You can relate to this, can't you?  You always talk trash about "toxic PVP-ers" killing you, or something.  Reason why you said you only play on Season and only play on Oliva after taking 30 days off.  So surely, you can relate to the negativity associated with Karma Bombers and the things they do too.  Right?

Whether this is intended design or not, you can't deny the fact this act is pretty toxic, if you are able to see all sides of an issue in an objective manner instead of being gorilla glued to your own views and bias.

OK, so since you seem to think you have all the answers, you said this: "Again, no one forces anyone in the game to hit Alt-C it's your choice and that's a fact."

So what would you suggest a player do if they experiencing in the above example?  Leave spot?  Go red and don't say a word?  Well, if that is so, then why cry when you get PK'd?  Just leave spot or swap.  If you say something like, "well, you;ll just have to flag up and kill them if it's bother you so much and accept the consequences" or "just swap servers / rotations, even if you didn't instigate the situation. you just gotta leave" -- then listen to your own advice and don't QQ when you get killed.  Accept the consequences in your choice of not improving in PVP.

I go to Arsha when I want PVP.  When I want a peaceful grind in my own little place on the map, I go to normal servers.  You'll usually find me in Star's End.  I'm the type of player who will search for open rotations instead of asking for DFS.  I don't like treading on people I have no issue with, so if all spots are occupied, I'll swap to search or come back later.  I know how it's like to want to just grind, so I don't ask for DFS, kinda anti-social too, so maybe mostly just shy.  But I will DFS any request - no hesitation - meet me on road.  I leave if I lose, I say GF's :) and wish them a good day if I win.  Usually, when people hit mobs in an occupied rotation and see me, most people leave right away, ask for DFS, or we work it out in some way.  I can think of only a couple instances when someone tried to aggress on me, which, I successfully fended them off in one instance, and in the other, I stood zero chance so i just swapped.  But there were also a few specific instances when some low geared and entitled person comes into the rotation I'm occupying and ignores ALL cordial dialogue, completely ignores me - even when clearly seeing me - and is just plain toxic.  I'm minding my own business, how can you even think I'm in the wrong for being offended by this -- when YOU get offended when you get PK'd?

You guys don't even make any sense.  So biased to your own view it's DISGUSTING.  Keep your heads up your butt where they belong, ignorant PVE-er.  Yeah, go ahead and copy paste ONE LINE out of this whole novel to reply to also.  Talk about disingenuous.

Disrespect me as a person by coming into the rotation I'm peacefully occupying and completely ignore me as if I don't exist, I disrespect you by feeding you to mobs.

Equality.  End of story.

The mentality of Karma Bombers in a nutshell, perfectly illustrated by a humorous meme:

It's amazing how everybody seems to ignore that there are two sides to this discussion/problem, allow me to elaborate:

Side 1:

A "veteran" grinding that gets slowed down by a "newbie" that forcefully inserts himself into the rotation, refusing to duel or leave (at this point the veteran should be smart enough to understand that killing the "newbie" over and over and then crying about "getting karma-bombed" won't change the situation, but well, it seems that INT isn't a very strong stat).

Side 2:

A normal player grinding that gets interupted every five/ten minutes by duel for spots requests and ends up wasting his scrolls and time over and over until he gets unlucky or overgeared.

Consideration:

Duel for spot penalizes completely who was there first, for multiple reasons:

1) Because he has everything to lose (spot, scrolls, time).

2) Because whoever is asking has nothing to lose (even worse if after losing he swaps channel, those people I usually try to follow and hunt down).

And if you're asking yourself why this penalizes who was there first, it's very simple, it's because almost everybody will try to ask, since they have nothing to lose.

3) Because there is no "cool-down" to how many times you can get asked for a duel in a row by different people, most people won't care or believe that you've duel'ed enough and pretend that you keep doing this farce.

4) Because you have no guarantee that the asking person will actually leave if they lose (probably some people even call friends to come and duel you after losing and then get the spot from them if they manage to win and this is but one of the many ways this system can be exploited).

Conclusion:

Let's find the common denominator between those two sides, did you manage to find it? No? Allow me to help: the issue is caused by people that come, see that the spot is taken and try to forcefully take it for themselves, also known as: selfish.

Honestly, I prefer to war the spot out like I'm on Arsha rather than accepting something that is completely unfair towards my side, at least I'll have some fun (that is if I was there first, if I come and see that the spot is taken then I simply change channel or spot).

But, sometimes, when my scrolls are down and I'm in the mood, why not, I'll accept the request (then leave after winning).

I think a good place to look for a solution to this problem would be something like wow's resurrection timer.

If you get killed by a player the first time, you can rez instantly.

If you can killed by a player the second time within 10minutes or so, you have to wait 10 seconds.

If they come back and they kill you get again within 10minutes, you have to wait 30 seconds.

*The game gives you a warning about dying to the same player again*

Now it starts getting serious, if you get killed again within 20minutes you now get sent to the nearest city *not just a safe zone, a city* with a 1minute rez timer.

If you seriously go back and get killed within 30minutes you now have a 2minute rez timer and get sent to the nearest city.

For the final Punishment, if you decide to go back within one hour of getting killed by the same player, and are killed again, you must wait 5minutes and get sent to the nearest city.

Obviously this rule doesn't apply to arsha and places where pvp is the focus, node wars, etc. 

I feel like there might need to be a bigger final punishment for really big spergs and make the rez timer a whopping 30minutes if they get killed within 5hours or something but maybe that's too long.

5minutes feels like a lot when you're dead and doing nothing for that long. (Cannot be circumvented by logging out or any sort of character switching or the sort).

Maybe a karma loss reduction for when the kills get higher, but it would encourage the whole death squads so maybe not. 

Only occurs when being killed by the same player, doesn't happen with guild declarations. 

TLDR: A rez timer should be added. 

The solution is for PA to make bigger areas with equal rotations. Its that simple. From a design point of view, most areas seem like they were created for a single player game instead of a mmorpg. Lineage 2 in comparison had large areas designed to accomodate a large group of people. Yes, BDO has server channels but I'd say the CD makes it so thats not really a proper solution. 

Another solution is to make more group areas that are large with many rotations. Its not that difficult, but PA makes it seem that way.

Karma bombing has always been the dark side of pve in our community but over time you adapt and adjust. You can mearly swap server and try again. Or go to another rotation (some karma bombers aren't too smart and contest side rotations when mains is wide open). Or you can mearly kill them and hope that they give up (unlikely). Although it is annoying, in the end it is worse to waste your scrolls and money chasing after them thats just the reaction that they are begging for.

just sounds like there needs to be more servers or mobs.

Karmabombing is a fictitious construct, fabricated by pk kiddies who can't handle a little karma loss. Since NO ONE can force ANYONE to flag, it's really Karmacide. Now for the obligatory PSA: Learn To Share (TM)!