What am I talking about?

How Sorceress can only do 20% of thier PvP damage to zerks and archers, so have to run… what! that’s not a thing.. oh

How ninjas can’t hope to do damage to a sage no matter how well they play…. Because of modifiers.. what, that’s not a thing?

Imagine, If class had just one match up where they only did 20% of there damage to another … if there was a class that was so disadvantage against another, that it could never hope to beat it, because the game says no… and no one knows why.

There would be outrage… There would be tears, there would be sympathy for that class from other classes (like how we feel sorry for maewha situation).. what if, no mater how many hits a ranger landed on a Striker, they could never kill it because it only doing 20% pvp damage?

I give you a challenge, GMs, CM, PA staff (Looking from input from any or all, must be some on this forum, please don’t just ignore me because you don’t like the question);

Explain why shai should have any match up where you can only do 20% pvp damage to another . Is a shai not meant to play in RBF, only meant to be *we are still waiting for PA to tell us what shai is*

If there is no reason, let’s meet half way and see how the player base responds. Give each class one counter they can only deal 20% PvP damges too. It's fair, not taking about anything nearly as crazy as what's done to shai.

Or you the player can take it on your self to feel the stupity; Pick one from the game and do not pvp engage it for a week (in RBF in NW in Gvg in 1v1, DFS)  .. just run from it, pretend you have no chance of beating it.. because you would not engage it if it will take you 10 combos to maybe kill them (probably more, pots and heals) so just run from that for a week, see if your having fun :)

What do you say?

( why am I bring this up when I personally like the challenge? I'm seeing more and more shai players, who are leaning to PvP, getting end game gear and understanding, part of the game is not available to them. It really is upsetting for players that hoped to have some fun, even in the knowledge it would be a challenge. )

And, I can have a good day PvP to levels most would hope to achieve :P but unless I greatly outgear a striker/Mystic Ninja… its not going to happen. Justify the reasoning please, so we can all understand why

Shai can tackle archers, I hear the modifiers are around 60% pvp damage done. Not always easy on equal gear but it achievable when you are skilled.

I think its reasonable that all shai Vs modifiers should have no more that 50% reduction, so that the best shai (some may say the best players in BDO as shai is hard mode for combative PvP) can enjoy part of the game they have been locked out of / Currently have no chance of achieving.... 50% that’s still a huge reduction, but manageable.

This in no way makes Shai a PvP . But it gives a goal to reach. Why would PA pretty much lockout part of the game from class ? (Tell us… you may have a good reason)

Shai was an experimental . Common PA, been a while now, and it’s cruel to keep calling shai experimental, you may get shinn bites :P

have to wonder if your so upset at me (it would seem) becuse you have been beaten by a trail shai? and panic if they get just a little stronger? 

Here is the table of shai's modifiers for those who dont know them.

Yes, shai should not be a pvp god, but that doesn't mean she should do hardly any damage to certain classes. Shai's average damage modify is 40-50%, so why is Striker, Mystic and Ninja all in the 20%s?

Please adjust Shai's pvp dmg for these three classes to make them in line with the other classes!

RE; ‘Shai was never meant to be a PvP DPS ’ No one here said it was meant to be, that’s not what this post was about, in fact that is covered in my second post. You did read what was already discussed before posting your options? Or did you just come in read the first post and ignore what everyone else may have gone over already. Strike one

Re;’ they are a support and CC ’ Many other classes are too, but they also do damage. Shai is caged into the support roll only and is not even an exceptional support (its good, but not exceptional, thats important if your taking about trading off damage to the levels we have right now).

You see; shai is taking up the support roll because that’s all they can do,not becuse its the only support class at that strenght. But think what other classes have to hand, 100% heals, group heals, Speed spells, Debuffs, Walls, Vacuums, slows,PAs, There are es out here, other than shai that can be equally as good in support rolls (DP them up and sacrifice damage, via gear, it's a choice), but why do that when you have a shai that can do nothing else? Give them that job. Strike two for missing that point.

Yet again because I don’t think you will understand and get confused. I’m not saying that shai should be able to do the same damge as other classes that are also good in support. I’m point out that shai is nothing special in the support roll. Wanna make shai special as support, make that reduce damage make sense as a trad off? Take away group heals from all other classes (I don’t want that to happen), then you can claim the reductions is justified.

Re They aren't supposed to be a top fragger ’ No one here said that. You are not arguing in good faith. You are injecting arguments that no one where is having, so that you can fight that argument and look smarter /more correct thank you are. Strike 3 and you'er out :)

You really don’t know what you’re talking about, nor have read what this topic is stating. You must have read a few lines and assumed the topic. Your points have not engaged with the topic, so I don’t know what you’re doing here… do you?

The fact you think shai is a life skilling shows you are still having an argument from 2020... It’s not a good life skill, this is accepted, and we are confused as to what shai is meant to be.. it has bag wait and that is it... My Mahwah makes a better life skiller in a lot more areas.

All this post has pointed out, it’s Topic;  Is that the reduction are do strong and unjustified… Or maybe PA,CM,GM can justify the reasoning as asked… I have no idea what you’re on about, coming it with a random injection of statements. 

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Addition, because you had to be snide!

RE’ you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out what the is about. ‘

PA pointed out that she was not strong in combat, true. Did not point out have no chance against some classes (oh, btw,Please, read the full post and thread and stop wasting people time, idiot). Do you even play the game anymore? The game has changed and move on so much from then ,that shai planned path is redundant.

PA pointed out she would not ‘fall behind ‘yet upon till now, she has fallen behind on every aspect, including areas of life skilling. Can’t hold a spot, can’t get the same level of loot in a group, has to stop and buff so often that grinding is substantially slower progress (I think these issues are being addressed, so PA must understand they got it wrong.. you dont, you missed that, but PA accepts it)

As for life skilling. I guess PA, and you , stuck in the past like a cave man, thinking some extra bag space, exp from gathering and a starting level of professional makes Shai a good life skiller?

Yes it means you can afk process a bit more (or fix that with perals on other classes, can’t buy more damage from the pearl shop for shai… hmm)

Bag space when gathering? Not that big of a deal.. so many free mas and horse stacking.

The exp , means nothing after level 58,59… games at a point where them levels mean nothing anyways because of seasons.

Shais mobility means moving while gathering is slow. Even the florang surf will have little to no impact.

Please explain how she can be labeled a life skilled over any other ? Really I wanna hear your answer, your reasoning.

you won’t answer this, what you will do is go off on a tangent and try to create a different argument, ignoring what was sais here. That makes you a time waster, not a smart one at that

*Walk away, you don’t have to read my next ramblings, but would be nice if PA d*

And if shai is what the critics say, why doesn’t PA grown a set and say so on the creation screen.

I guess, if Shai is what the critics claim is should be… Unable to deal with some classes. Only a life skiller and not useable outside of teams. Then PA, grow a set and put it in the creation description. That’s what new players see..

E.g.

Because of shai’s small size, Shai dose not have a basic evasion RATE (See otehre post :P) and is fast and nimble, but unprotected.. so you can try and run but half the classes out there are faster than you, or will just throw a skill to stop you. You wont be able to defend your spot so this is only for team play and when you are lucky a guild may pick you over a witch or nova, but don’t get your hopes up. Your job is to collect things and make the potions for the rest of the player base. Do not have hopes of riches or victory

we are telling you this now, before you waste your time and money in the pearl shop, hitting level 61,62,63 and coming to the realisation shai is only a DP buff bot, it would be underhand of PA not inform you of what the critics state is fact, and we don’t wish to just cash in on our creation if its not for you.

Now, I’m kind of having a bit of fun but to be fair; If that’s what shai is, why cant PA say it? I will still play shai, but it may help avoid disappointment for others, or they may not play the game at all..the musical instrument and adorableness of shai may be a hook for them, but if they understand that shai is as useless as the critics state, maybe they will skip BDO (Common PA, take a stance, your not under a publisher anymore,, you don’t have to rip of new customers).

If shai was labelled as a team only , or an RP Class (if that’s what it is) then you don’t have these threads anymore (or at lest less)

A journey;

You download BDO and come to a creation screen. You see a lot of characters that are in your normal hack and slach games, you haven’t playied a MMO for years because you have lost intrest in that (maybe your very old like me :P)

You click through the list and there is a strange one in there, 'what? a booerrang' (florang) you look back over the videos on the creation screen and notice all the othere are hacking and slashing, seen it all before.. then you see a migets throwing a bommerang… lol

You create the charicter and down the line you learn you can play music POG, 'can I do that on othere classes?' , 'no, ha, np' (yeah I know you can summon)

You have found something that wasn’t in other games, this is why you are playing BDO… The stupity of people that say, just tag another , or you picked the wrong … they only know their own reality and do not have the empathy to understand others (even goes for the streams that do this, no matter how cool you think they are).

Some shai players are upset with the state of things, but they would not be playing BDO if they didn’t have shai… It may have been better if PA explain what shai is *still waiting definition* and people could have not gott attached, spent money (shai's all about the outfit), leveld up, only to find out PA are not addressing the class properly or even telling the player base what their direction is…

It's not a life skiller,no more than a meawha is.

Bit more serious but related to Shai and feedback;

Now I keep mentioning that ‘some streamer’ (no name, I wont do that), say this and that…

This is because when it comes to shai and talking about it situation, rather than really look at it, they suggest horrible things (accusing the players of things I find very hurtful, I would never accuses a group of such things without evidence, just because they play class).

One of them did it a lot, he was a big name, repected by othre streamers, till he left bdo because he wasn’t happy with some of the functions (hay, fancy that, NW or something) It’s a shame that other streamer did not pull this asshole up on it, but I guess they don’t have time to watch his streams, and only know the image of him he presents to them in chat and such (prim ,propper and very smart).. nah, some of these popular streams have said some nasty things about groups of players with no reason, and I’m not talking about light hatred jives, nah, serious accusations. (PA, you should monitor this, its not good for the game, Partners calling groups players.. well give the context we know what they are saying.)

Good to see othre streamers stepping away from such slurs (memes), growing up a little I guess (and a lot never did it at all, much loved streamers :P)… but it caused damage and stigma to shai player. It left them looking alike a joke played by perverts and no one had to listen to them… Yes that what some streamer did (Partners), (and maybe still are, I won’t watch them)

This slurs should also be dealt with, when on the forums. No one should be labeled in such a way for playing a character that PA designed and put in a game. The host website of that game should not be allowing such bulling and accusation of the highest depravity to be posted. It silences people, it upsets people (really it does, it’s a horrible thing to be accused of)… Such people should be removed from the forum if they cannot control themselves, it’s not funny, it’s not a joke, its sick

Corsair is a lifeskill class since it has a sailing lifeskill passive. Wait, I know how can Corsair be a life skill class when it only has 1 passive related to it? The same reason why shai only has two passives related to life skills yet the community continues in error to refer to her as a life skill class. REMEMBER that there are 11 life skills. Shai only has weak passives related to just two of them.

Sailing: Corsair has a passive

Cooking

Bartering

Alchemy: Shai has a passive.

Cooking

Hunting

Gathering: Shai has a passive

Fishing

Trading

Training

Farming

You've written so much, maybe the PA won't even read it