(i guess this is feedback, as im telling you we have questions)

still no justification from GM, CM or PA on Shai.

Not asking much, why is her damage reduced so greatly against some classes? It’s in game, it’s been there for a long time, Surly someone within the PA staff knows why?

I know GMs are active on this forum, do you know? This isn’t me even asking for it to be change, just wanna know why?

Size, cuteness? Was wondering about this, and it’s not consistent. See veo. So why?

What special reason do you have?

In order to make a class that didn’t PvP, you had to add a restriction, and hope this forces players to be support only (that didn’t work out)? Kind of wired, surely it should be organic if support is needed (witch), and allow a class to fight back when needed.

Did you plan on shai being the weak class that had to be saved, Hero complexe, you created a victim?

Yeah,, now it’s a little creepy. So why is it the way it is?

Welcome input from other players too, as long as you are up-to-date on the facts. She is no more a life skilling than other some classes (if that comes up, someone feel free to link a post on that topic for them to read).

Her hp pool is comparable to Bezerkers. So it’s not so special (but still good)

She has a fixed Evasion boost at the start, but not an evasion rate like her creation text explains (and why I also think she is missing the level 63 passive tree). Striker has an evasion rate passive, making him the most tanky at later game (Full evsiaon).

I’m aware of the typos in the video, they are not important, I’m not re rendering for an example video only intended for here.. Work past the typos, you’re smart enough

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You are not going to get a response from any GM. Or any PA official.

If you do, they will just be saying something like;

Shai was made to be used in node war. Why are you trying to use her for something else? bad move. 

Its like... if you have a baseball bat to actually play baseball. Then you are like, "hey this is great, it works just fine for what its INTENDED PURPOSE is!"

Then you take the baseball bat and try to use it as a fire poker, or paint brush, or broom.... this is not going to work out so well my dude. Its not made for that... sorry...

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I know I’m not going to get a response. This is just part of the journey, showing there is no response. It’s to back up the claims people have made about shai’s position, and to confirm it for myself (not a fan of hear-say).

I would even bet they know I don’t expect a reply. Especially because they do not have a reasonable one, and once the engage with me, we have a discussion, where they would have to explain what’s going on. There is no befit to them engaging with me, it would not be wise or safe (PR wise).

But still, all you are doing is guessing their response based on what you have heard from the community, who have formed their best guess mainly by following Streamer (directly or indirectly) discussion groups (that’s okay).

You believe you know what shai is, and now claim, without any evence it’s probably the official line, that Gm and PA staff would agree with you. We can’t know that if they don’t tell us. All I have heard them say is (paraphrasing);

Shai was ment be one thing but the community has taken here in a different direction and they are giving some thought of where to take shai from that point. < I think this was in one of their official broadcasts this year, At the time I thought that was good news and why they are stalling, because they are giving the some real thought.

Since that statement, where they basically say they don’t know what shai is anymore, I have not heard any other information.

Where did you get your information that leads you to believe you know what the GM and Staff would say?

Addition;

Just to be sure; As my post is asking why shai has such damage reductions, you believe this it because she is meant to be a siege bot?

There's zero transparency within Pearl Abyss, they don't see it as something necessary or they're to embarassed to admit or think it'll be to their disadvantage if they do. We're left in the dark and there's no way for us to know if our suggestions get noticed because it's clear as day that they're told not to directly interact with players suggesting anything.

When you report a bug, you don't get a thank you and that they'll look into the issue.

When you make a suggestion or provide a solution to a problem, the same thing happens, no response.

When they announce something, they delay it once it's near the release or don't talk about it anymore.

At some point you just wonder why you even spent so much money on this game when the company doesn't seem to care about anything. Has BDO turned into a scam? I don't know, but without transparency, one is left to wonder. Shai class especially has been neglected and pushed into a ravine. There's no purpose to a shai, none. Gathering and crafting special skills is useless since it offers no excitable benefit.

I tried to be supportive of the game and understanding that things happen but unfortunately I've been driven absolutely mad and after the nothing-ball, I'm just livid that they can take a game with so much potential and put it all to waste. Just why? I guess even if you do have a lot of money, if your creative director is either in shackles or is terrible at their job, there's no hope for a game. I guess I have no choice but to wait months and see what BDO does but for now, we have to wait until at least February to see anything tangible. *sigh*

Seasons is coming up, i normally level up a shai and then try a new class after that. I was frustrated last Season In RBF, and I didn’t know the modifiers well.

This time i do.. it means , when playing RBF, if I see a striker, mystic or ninja, I have to walk away (they know they can engage with me at low to no risk). Have you seen the makeup of Seasonal RBF PA staff? Yeah... I may as well leave a match if there are more than a few, I will not able to help take them down (do some damage alongse buffs), I will be a negative factor at that level of gear (and I’m a kickass shai most of the time)... E.g. Shai drags the team down because of your modifiers in seasonal. Why do this?

No justification for making shai a victim that must be saved (time you scrapped that plan, it’s not working). You half gave back some specialness with the alpaca, is this because we pointed out you had given away our skill to call donkey from anywhere? You think this fixes the balance? At the ball they basically said some other classes will get the mount in time, and I bet the larger classes will get a Yak.

You are trying to placate the shais again, like you did with the Flying donkey.

Added; don’t get me wrong, i love the alpaca, it’s great, I’m sure I will have fun with it in Nodewars... But it’s not what we have been asking you to address, and it will not distract us

EDIT addition; Bdo foundry (is that an official site?) seems to think the number is 56% to match kuno, so do a lot of people. I can only hope this is true, and striker/mystic where left as if for unknown reasons. But you can’t blame me for thinking PA would pull a ‘fast one’.

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Okay i see changes on GL, to ninja vs Shai modifiers, cool, bringing  it up to par with other modifiers, or did you? (if it makes it to live)

Still have to wonder why mystics and striker are skills elite assassins of shai kind... so that they can still take on a gaga shai (one with end game gear) and not have to worry.

What special privilege have striker and mystic earned? is it in their lore? or is the ninja just to test the waters and see what people say?

'When the Shai attacks the Ninja , the applied damage has been increased by 34.09%. ' so this could be 56.01% or 29.4% depending on how the 34.09% was applied. so either they brought it upto par with all classes, and matched ninja and kuno, would make sence - (excluding striker and mystic special position) or they have only brought it in line with striker and mystic. Anyone know the reall numbers?

have a feeling it 29.4% but they have made the number look better than they are. If this is the case PA... how about saying the modifiers where;

Before: 21.92%

After: 29.4%

...i know 56.01% matchs kuno and look resonable to assume, and 29.4 dont not match mystic and striker exacly, and makes less sence... but for a long time, ninja match nonthing (for no known reason), and PA seems to pull a lot of strange tricks with shai (please,please,please, i hope they hve changed)...

or the other way you normally post such information 'has been change from xx% to xx%'.You don’t normally use increased a percentage value by a percentage value in your text, as this is confusing, compound percentages. why do this? (translation error? then use the common formats you use and this dosent happen)

Hate to think you are trying to placate the shai with number presentation. Not a good look from the company. Can someone from PA , CM,GM clear this up? (i know , ha)

A note to PA;

Up until now, I feel shai has been allowed to be ignored with no backlash because the community as a whole have their own assumptions of what shai is.

We have pointed out PA don’t know, or will not confirm what shai is *1 (PA have said they are unsure of shai direction in broadcasts - been a long time now). I think because the community have put their feeling forward, mocked the class, insulted it, say what it can and cant be (no one listen to the shais though)… PA has felt unable to make any directional changes, or even follow though of their original path (it was menna have an Eva rate, wasnt it PA, skill tree theat level 63 would have been in, you paniced when the DP memes came out and stalled progress, been to long).

That is now changing, but PA, hinding the real number to keep us quiet for a bit (compound percents)…. That’s not going to stop the post, the videos and question.. Question no one a PA will answered. Not a good look PA (you asked for more feedback at the ball, here it is)

Great game, and now the shai are work hard to make it easier for you to take some positive risks with the shai … She not as big of a joke anymore… we have show that people who pretend to understand shai and its planed path have little to no insight at all… You have stalled out of fear, work with us J

* creepy shai theme plays in the background*

1*) in some of the early GL notes, they justify reductions becuse shai is a life skill class (no changes for shai becuse - i kid you not, well that was the translation)... we have gone over this, Given you feedback, I hope you where listening!

Note to shai streamers /parteners;

And I hope partner/Streamer are understanding what may have just happened here. Your not going crazy, PA is neglecting the class (well we will see after reworks). It’s not because PA are Evil or hate shai, it’s because of the Memes, hate and worry of shai’s purpose shifting (from what, no one knows lol) among the community.

I also have no idea what the impression/feeling about shai are outse of NA/EU and that will be a factor too (i watch the streams, but i cant understand them,RU,SEA KR)

That’s what you have to work on, so that PA can finally feel safe to take action

Update on this journey;

I finally got to fight ‘pet’ the shai (forgot other name, one of the winners of the tournament – Godlike EU). As expected they out skilled me 1v1 but thanks for the fights :) (1v1 is not my thing, but in time :P, and now I have a great teacher to fight against). What was important was watching them fight others with 310 AP (361 dp I think).

They are skilled, they are top tier shai 1v1s, they can get the kills but even given all that, they arn’t anywhere near equally match pvp game mechanism wise to other classes (that's fair, shai is not PvP<Please for the Love of... dont get confused about what beeing asked here!), but what it also exposes is shai is not a tank..hmm

I went to the BA to test out standard layouts. By this I mean wearing Ap and DP as if I was going to grind or a PvPer going to PvP, so in my case 283ap (281 bracket) and 371dp. I was looking for other classes who could put on the same gear and see how it felt.

As expected I could not hand out as much damage, but the issue is, I have no extra defence for that sacrifice. One of the Myths in the BDO community is that shai is a tank. Just not true. Unless a shai puts on only DP (giving up all AP as it’s not efficient), a shai has no noticeable tankness (zerk has comparable HP)… Shai has no Percentage/Rate passives (like hear text claims) to take advantage of her gear.

(If you rbrain just told you ‘your saying zerker should also get a passive rate then?’.. Please let yourself out :P this is about damage reductions justification, The zerk example is about the HP so people can relate)

I hope to collect more footage of fights with same gear vs other classes. Could take time as I have to find people of match skill in 1v1 (and find the time myslef, and my physically upto it - i can fight sweat for 15 mins at most on a good day then have to rest for a bit)… and I’m neither bad or expert at 1v1. The videos would be to show what PA already knows, so it’s not like its feedback for PA, but to exposes the issue they pretend is not their.

If Shai is not PVP (we agree) then why is she not more defensive? (fast an nibble, with high basics defence RATE, to paraphrase the creation text) If shai vs another , and shai landing more hits, why cant she take advantage of her defence gear? Why cant she hold out a lot longer? (in normal gear layouts AP and DP)

Why would it seem that AP is sacrificed and DP is the same as some classes (in function) and lesser than other? (vs meawha and their Pasive Rate for example) This means she loses out in AP, gains nothing in DP for what? Lifeskills? We have gone over that one :P

I know, i hear it, 'But the HP.. 'Yes, Its good, But the Damage modifiers.. Looking for fair balance here, Not to make Shai a PvP unit. Dont get confused, and it dosent take a lot (Large) changes to make things fair, or atlest what people claim shai is.

Gonna take time to collect viedos (if i can be bothere this close to christmas).. Videos that arnt really for PA, but the community so PA cant he behind the myths.

Yeah, I must seem like the most complaining Shai there is, but I’m willing to take the flack to see shai become something – (tank? life skiller? It’s about a direction)

People that have met me in game see I’m a nice person, even fun to be around. The forums are a strange place… it changes people… seen things… dark things. If i dont put a bit of sass out there, i get no where (Should not be that way, but this is tried and test on this forum over the last few months, that was a fun experiment).

Who know if the sass isn’t what got 'pet' to turn up… Someone may have saw me and said, ‘hay pet, it’s that shai from the forum, put them in their place!’ .. I held my own :P and pet was nice enough to equalize gear (and they still won, pure skills :P)

Shai would be too powerful in PVP at 80% damage modifers (that one-two and its stiffens & 80%, they would be in PvP class territory), She is good at 60%, enough not to be PvP tier , unless you out skill and/or gear.. 50% is okay, anything below that, how do you justify that PA?

A note to such players as ‘Pet’ the shai, Please remember, you're highly skilled in PvP 1v1 and we also need to look at the average player. We cant balance shai (even as none PvP ) around what the best player can achieve with it :)

Sadly I think PA fears this… The idea that a small pacentage of shai will have the Skill and gear to upset other classes. I don’t this this is a fair justification for such hard restrictions (Striker 29% ha).. even if she is a ‘Lifeskiller’

Last note on this post (not end to the thread:P).. It took me nearly an hour to write this> I struggle greatly with language, but at least I’m trying. Ticks me off when people that aren’t going other there, talking to other shai, testing things out and pretend to have valid input. While the world is in a strange place and RL work is slow and I’m not one to sit around… I have given BDO this a lot of time & effort.

At the ball J asked for more feedback , I can’t keep this up indefinitely