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REBOOTS SLOW CHANGES Developers your slow stack nerfing to max 50% has severely lowered 1v1 potential of already weak classes in 1v1 (Witch Wizard awakening)
Dec 13, 2021, 18:33 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Dec 14, 2021, 15:34 (UTC)
# 11

No.  Absolutely not.  For the love of all that is holy, please stop doing what you're doing.

 

-everyone else playing the game

Last Edit : Dec 14, 2021, 21:26 (UTC)
# 12

While i definately think that slowstacking is somewhat toxic exspecially when large aoes do them i feel like overall this is a good change. BUT it is very true that this gimps down Awa Witch/Wiz even more wich is already pretty bad to begin with. I also do expect some kind of compensation because this actually affects us hard.

Last Edit : Dec 14, 2021, 21:28 (UTC)
# 13
Am 14. Dez 2021, 15:34 (UTC), von SauceSinceBirth

No.  Absolutely not.  For the love of all that is holy, please stop doing what you're doing.

 

-everyone else playing the game

He is just asking for a compensation because for the sake of everyone they nerfed slows ?
i think this is only fair.

Last Edit : Dec 14, 2021, 21:47 (UTC)
# 14

Stop making it sound like this is a huge nerf to Witch/Wizard awakening, that is just completely wrong. This will barely change anything for us in 1v1, yes you wont benefit much from slow addons while you have the paralyse on the target (or if you have the lightning pet out as witch and want to shock with thunder storm) but that is not enough to make it sound like this is something big. It might be a nerf in small scale and large scale for us since we actually use alot of blizzards and shock slows (especially as succession) but i gladly take some large scale nerfs because we are close to the best in large scale. And this just makes it so much more enjoyable to play. (btw this is also a buff to attack/cast/movment speed buffs, so we get a slight buff for speed spell from this)

Last Edit : Dec 14, 2021, 23:29 (UTC)
# 15
On: Dec 14, 2021, 21:44 (UTC), Written by Sesselfurzer

Stop making it sound like this is a huge nerf to Witch/Wizard awakening, that is just completely wrong. This will barely change anything for us in 1v1, yes you wont benefit much from slow addons while you have the paralyse on the target (or if you have the lightning pet out as witch and want to shock with thunder storm) but that is not enough to make it sound like this is something big. It might be a nerf in small scale and large scale for us since we actually use alot of blizzards and shock slows (especially as succession) but i gladly take some large scale nerfs because we are close to the best in large scale. And this just makes it so much more enjoyable to play. (btw this is also a buff to attack/cast/movment speed buffs, so we get a slight buff for speed spell from this)

dafuq are ya smoking mate

Win condition gainst:
Zerker

Stroker
Mystic
Guardian
Other staffs
Corsair
Musa
Maehwa
Lahn
DK
Sage
Tamer
Archer

Is based on landing slows, generally multiple.
All of the above classes can either out-trade and/or out-kite us without (stacked) slows.

To the people challenging that slows have no counterplay; any FG skill will stop a slow, awa witchard slows are projectiles in awakening (dodgeable and prone to projectile desync), or long-cast unprotected pre-awa skills... If you let a staff full-cast blizzard on your face without disengaging, blocking, iframing, or punishing them, then yes, you deserve the slow stack.

The slow issue is a largescale problem tied to classes with protected AoE slows added onto already useable skills
Guardian and Corsair are the main culprits, but succession staffs to. Their skills, which they would use for damage/CC already, have slows added ontop, which is what tips things over the edge.

Single target elimination slows are skill-shots and should not be nerfed on a bad 1v1 class.

 

 

Regarding the comments of grab changes; the CD of a grab changes nothing with regards to its pressure while up. If a warrior dashes into my face, and presses Q, I MUST TELEPORT. Since the iframe nerf from 2018, grab-desync frame perfect iframes are not viable options anymore, any experienced pvper will be aware of this. A warrior or other grab class is under no obligation to pop their 15s CD upon reaching me. All they need to do is reach me, chill, chase my TP, and run me down.

Last Edit : Dec 15, 2021, 00:30 (UTC)
# 16
On: Dec 14, 2021, 21:44 (UTC), Written by Sesselfurzer

Stop making it sound like this is a huge nerf to Witch/Wizard awakening, that is just completely wrong. This will barely change anything for us in 1v1, yes you wont benefit much from slow addons while you have the paralyse on the target (or if you have the lightning pet out as witch and want to shock with thunder storm) but that is not enough to make it sound like this is something big. It might be a nerf in small scale and large scale for us since we actually use alot of blizzards and shock slows (especially as succession) but i gladly take some large scale nerfs because we are close to the best in large scale. And this just makes it so much more enjoyable to play. (btw this is also a buff to attack/cast/movment speed buffs, so we get a slight buff for speed spell from this)

why are u even bringing succession into this. u were barely affected by this as u dont have ritardando or paralysis whereas awk casters do and usually combo it with another slow to try to have a fighting chance.

100 1802
Lv 65
Seeryus
Last Edit : Dec 15, 2021, 02:15 (UTC)
# 17

50% ? not bad :)

Had to think about this as i don’t play the classes effected but I know that slow stacking drains the life out of medium scale fights. RBf, gvgs.
It makes a very useful and powerful tool, and a 50% cap seems more than fair as a utility effect, consering that +10% + what ever pen sol adds (15? for a total of 25%) attack / movement on a shai skill is consered powerful.... Maybe shai can now counter slows? Cool

Now the bit I had to think about before going 'good!' is the 1v1... but are these classes AOE engage? I don’t worry about 1v1 on my shai. Maybe your will end up at shai level? You have heals and speed buffs? And dont know what else you have, you don’t need damage too.. welcome to the party, their gonna shai your A88

 

Addtion;

if they are AOE engage, do they also have 'catch' skills? Wher you can stiffen, stun, freeze and then attack? Like the shai can one-two stiffen and then kick (and run away :P)

Last Edit : Dec 15, 2021, 15:07 (UTC)
# 18
On: Dec 14, 2021, 23:29 (UTC), Written by Helegnes

dafuq are ya smoking mate

Win condition gainst:
Zerker

Stroker
Mystic
Guardian
Other staffs
Corsair
Musa
Maehwa
Lahn
DK
Sage
Tamer
Archer

Is based on landing slows, generally multiple.
All of the above classes can either out-trade and/or out-kite us without (stacked) slows.

To the people challenging that slows have no counterplay; any FG skill will stop a slow, awa witchard slows are projectiles in awakening (dodgeable and prone to projectile desync), or long-cast unprotected pre-awa skills... If you let a staff full-cast blizzard on your face without disengaging, blocking, iframing, or punishing them, then yes, you deserve the slow stack.

The slow issue is a largescale problem tied to classes with protected AoE slows added onto already useable skills
Guardian and Corsair are the main culprits, but succession staffs to. Their skills, which they would use for damage/CC already, have slows added ontop, which is what tips things over the edge.

Single target elimination slows are skill-shots and should not be nerfed on a bad 1v1 class.

 

 

Regarding the comments of grab changes; the CD of a grab changes nothing with regards to its pressure while up. If a warrior dashes into my face, and presses Q, I MUST TELEPORT. Since the iframe nerf from 2018, grab-desync frame perfect iframes are not viable options anymore, any experienced pvper will be aware of this. A warrior or other grab class is under no obligation to pop their 15s CD upon reaching me. All they need to do is reach me, chill, chase my TP, and run me down.

Yes, slows are definitely a win condition, i did not say its not, but using abilities like blizzard or non awakened lightning spells to shock you will just waste the important time you have while the enemy has the paralyze on them. Only because the max amount of slow is 50% now does not mean you cant slow at all anymore.

Last Edit : Dec 15, 2021, 15:09 (UTC)
# 19
On: Dec 15, 2021, 00:29 (UTC), Written by Seeryus

why are u even bringing succession into this. u were barely affected by this as u dont have ritardando or paralysis whereas awk casters do and usually combo it with another slow to try to have a fighting chance.

The succession part was just a small part in my text, if you reread my text you will realise that i mostly speak about awakening. (btw im not a succ witch, i mainly play awakened)

Last Edit : Dec 15, 2021, 16:00 (UTC)
# 20
On: Dec 15, 2021, 15:07 (UTC), Written by Sesselfurzer

Yes, slows are definitely a win condition, i did not say its not, but using abilities like blizzard or non awakened lightning spells to shock you will just waste the important time you have while the enemy has the paralyze on them. Only because the max amount of slow is 50% now does not mean you cant slow at all anymore.

para/rita +lightnin IS how you get them opened up for inital cc to have a chance to combo them or chip them down.

100 1802
Lv 65
Seeryus
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