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#Gameplay_General
Trying to understand the mindset of some players
Jan 24, 2022, 13:04 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 26, 2022, 01:38 (UTC)
# 31
On: Jan 25, 2022, 22:07 (UTC), Written by Graugus

Have you taken time to think that maybe he cares more about the leveling of trade than silver per hour? I know life skillers in this game that does things that most closed minded, one dimensional BDO players think is not worth doing at all. They do it because it's fun to them and find it more of a challenge than grinding orcs in a circle for 168 hours a week.

Even more reason to use the trade transport.  You would make better use of your time leveling trade by buying out Heidel and selling to the nearest trade manager, buying that trade manager out and selling it to heidel, repeat until server swap is off CD then swap and start over buying out heidel.  

Last Edit : Jan 26, 2022, 12:35 (UTC)
# 32

Another Korean mmo (now pretty much defunct, from my point of view) had owpvp. There, you had high gear players squashing poorly geared questers, low level - but good gear - players harassing high level, high ranked, but unskilled ones and quite a lot of "pvpers" grinding day-long the opponent faction's bots. All but the bots were complaining.

In our case, here, PA has this level barrier, you know. Below which no one can harm you (although, I did read someone bragging in chat about how one could exploit the game to force pvp players below level 50). Which is great for someone that wants to do just that, lifeskill. Sure, it comes with some hiccups, like the crippled accuracy when hunting monsters in Kama and O'dy, or the hidden level requirement for hunting quests in Kama, but that's about it. And who knows, maybe PA will consider removing the level req for lifeskilling quests and/or the accuracy handicap.

As to why? Well, it's because they can do that and, more often than not, they can't really engage players that could defend themselves. You could also ask why players leave WB areas flagged up demounting everyone in the path with their dooms. And the answer is, again, because they can. You're no longer getting any penalty for dying in pvp, so there's that too. 

Also, when it comes to losing trade goods, the game itself can be one major grieving bastard, when your boat gets stuck in a pixel underwater and, no matter what you do, you can't unstuck it. Game ain't perfect and humans, well, they ain't either.

Lastly, 

On: Jan 24, 2022, 15:47 (UTC), Written by Alphaeus

I don't understand this.  Why would you waste the time to run trade goods from Old Wisdom Tree to Valencia when trade wagons exist?

 

The second part, you claim it took him 5 minutes to figure out that you were on a sub 49 character?

 

Your entire post screams of BS.  

^ that, with an addendum that ye, it may have been a player that's horribly new to the game that got pummeled into the dirt by others one time too many and wanted to do the same to whoever he or she could.

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 01:01 (UTC)
# 33

Cleary the amount of downvotes is a result of the bitter pill that is just a truth. Mankind moral standards are questionable, why to do evil inmoral crap well because I can, it's a pvp bla bla so I can act like excrement.

If you are not doing something because there is a punishment like police can get you then your moral standards are shit. The purge movies are great visualisation of those aggressive players.

There is a reason why UFC exists or boxing nights or martial arts tournaments etc. people who want to pvp in real life can do this in professional way. Can you imagine mma fighter having a bad day and beating someone like meat for pork chops just because he had a bad mood, it's called a crime. 

There is a living human being behind in game avatar, we should all respect each other, not agree with everything, like, bla bla just respecting that would be a huge game changer kind of naive thought, but still truth.

But I blame almost entirely Pearl Abyss for extreme toxic behavior and community, they are doing nothing with this, and also promoting it for example with stupid memes about pvp spot bla bla. The normal company would be able to see that clearly there is a problem in game design, but Pearl Abyss is either too stupid or too blind to see the obvious.

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 01:18 (UTC)
# 34
On: Jan 27, 2022, 01:01 (UTC), Written by Sanjaya

Cleary the amount of downvotes is a result of the bitter pill that is just a truth. Mankind moral standards are questionable, why to do evil inmoral crap well because I can, it's a pvp bla bla so I can act like excrement.

Why would choose to play an OWPvP game if you don't want OWPvP?

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 02:16 (UTC)
# 35

Play tamer you will lose hope to the game.

Black Spirit Attack Allround spinner is weaker than normal skill than many classes. When you try it, you have 90% chance to get one tapped, cause it has super armor. Also, it has no range.

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 09:22 (UTC)
# 36
Am 27. Jan 2022, 01:01 (UTC), von Sanjaya

Cleary the amount of downvotes is a result of the bitter pill that is just a truth. Mankind moral standards are questionable, why to do evil inmoral crap well because I can, it's a pvp bla bla so I can act like excrement.

Yea, that's one way to say "my opinion is better than yours" i guess

Am 27. Jan 2022, 01:01 (UTC), von Sanjaya

If you are not doing something because there is a punishment like police can get you then your moral standards are shit. The purge movies are great visualisation of those aggressive players.

There is a reason why UFC exists or boxing nights or martial arts tournaments etc. people who want to pvp in real life can do this in professional way. Can you imagine mma fighter having a bad day and beating someone like meat for pork chops just because he had a bad mood, it's called a crime. 

There are things like UFC and stuff, because this fights are kinda dangerous and your risk to die would be pretty high if u'd do this just for the lulz without anyone stopping an enraged fighter punching you. - this won't happen in a game bro

Am 27. Jan 2022, 01:01 (UTC), von Sanjaya

There is a living human being behind in game avatar, we should all respect each other, not agree with everything, like, bla bla just respecting that would be a huge game changer kind of naive thought, but still truth.

The simple fact that u imply every pvper would be a crazy mofo that would punch people without further reason if there would be no police makes me shit on your opinion towards pvp.
How tf do u manage to compare ingame pvp to irl fights and tell yourself "Yes. This post will convince them!".


Whoever fights irl because of "bad mood" is a maniac imo. Not more, not less. - Fighting irl can and will bring you injuries you do not want or wish other people usually.
Fighting in BDO hurts noone except your feelings because u take this game way too serious as it seems.

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 11:21 (UTC)
# 37
On: Jan 27, 2022, 01:01 (UTC), Written by Sanjaya

Cleary the amount of downvotes is a result of the bitter pill that is just a truth. Mankind moral standards are questionable, why to do evil inmoral crap well because I can, it's a pvp bla bla so I can act like excrement.

If you are not doing something because there is a punishment like police can get you then your moral standards are shit. The purge movies are great visualisation of those aggressive players.

There is a reason why UFC exists or boxing nights or martial arts tournaments etc. people who want to pvp in real life can do this in professional way. Can you imagine mma fighter having a bad day and beating someone like meat for pork chops just because he had a bad mood, it's called a crime. 

There is a living human being behind in game avatar, we should all respect each other, not agree with everything, like, bla bla just respecting that would be a huge game changer kind of naive thought, but still truth.

But I blame almost entirely Pearl Abyss for extreme toxic behavior and community, they are doing nothing with this, and also promoting it for example with stupid memes about pvp spot bla bla. The normal company would be able to see that clearly there is a problem in game design, but Pearl Abyss is either too stupid or too blind to see the obvious.

The game design is ok, the problem is the mindset of the players. And expectation. Sorry but is totaly stupid to play a OwPvP game and to complain about killings. Yes there are idiots who try to grief, but this is not a game fault, its the players. Those people will grief when there is no PvP too. So again, the game design is great, its the people who dont like the design. The PvP fot spot is the reason many people prefer BDO over other mmos. So maybe some respect for the players that chose BDO for what it is ?

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 11:38 (UTC)
# 38
On: Jan 27, 2022, 01:01 (UTC), Written by Sanjaya

Cleary the amount of downvotes is a result of the bitter pill that is just a truth. Mankind moral standards are questionable, why to do evil inmoral crap well because I can, it's a pvp bla bla so I can act like excrement.

If you are not doing something because there is a punishment like police can get you then your moral standards are shit. The purge movies are great visualisation of those aggressive players.

There is a reason why UFC exists or boxing nights or martial arts tournaments etc. people who want to pvp in real life can do this in professional way. Can you imagine mma fighter having a bad day and beating someone like meat for pork chops just because he had a bad mood, it's called a crime. 

There is a living human being behind in game avatar, we should all respect each other, not agree with everything, like, bla bla just respecting that would be a huge game changer kind of naive thought, but still truth.

But I blame almost entirely Pearl Abyss for extreme toxic behavior and community, they are doing nothing with this, and also promoting it for example with stupid memes about pvp spot bla bla. The normal company would be able to see that clearly there is a problem in game design, but Pearl Abyss is either too stupid or too blind to see the obvious.

There are several things in my mind I want to point out about your post:

-Why taking a game seriously? Nothing happens to you irl. If anybody decided to kill you in the game for whatever reasons or no reason at all nothing physically has been done to you by any means. Other than just getting your attention for... reasons.

-Ofcourse there is a living human being behind a game avatar. In the game you can encounter a bandit/pirate. The game is open world. Everybody at or above 50 can get attacked at any time in owpvp channel. The game is based on the following: Grow(in level), improve, advance to a certain path, wit/cunning, skill and one can choose, who can he/she be in the game. Who are you going to be as a player and person in this game? Game isn't the real life. But we frequently use common knowledge and logic from RL to adapt and improve in the game. And also help us understand the mechanics and limitations just like in any other game.

-The game isn't toxic. Only the players can make the environment toxic. Blame yourself for not understanding the game you're in.

-Last. How many hours do you have spent in BDO?

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 11:55 (UTC)
# 39

Without regulation, environments become toxic. Yes, some people like to grief and for those we really need mechanisms in place to punish them. There are probably millions of reasons why people are toxic, however, punishement is a very efficient way to regulate them, especially in an MMO. Good thing he was unsuccessful in that regard.

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2022, 12:08 (UTC)
# 40
Am 27. Jan 2022, 01:18 (UTC), von Alphaeus

Why would choose to play an OWPvP game if you don't want OWPvP?

BDO is not an OWPvP game, it's an OWMMO!

BDO has the OWPvP feature but it's just a side feature which you can ignore without missing anything. You don't get better equipment, silver or any other item from OWPvP. The only thing you get is bad Karma. In an OWPvP game you would get something good and not lose karma.

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