back in the day you got a grind spot from other civilised players~

Well... For the mindset behind it, that's pretty simple : it's a game, and playing outlaw may sound fun for some players, and that's precisely one of the good points of BDO, it allows it.

One of the common misconceptions about BDO is here, BDO has owpvp but never announced that any encounter would be balanced. In fact, they will most of the time be unbalanced, even with equivalent gear, the element of surprise will remove any fairness.

Many players are used to standardized confrontations from some other games and would expect the same thing here, but no. It's wild, it's sometimes unfair, but it's also rewarding when you manage to kill this outlaw. And even while saying that, there are many ways to protect yourself from these lowly attacks. BDO is clearly not as extreme as some participants are trying to suggest here. 

Look, we can see that, despite his interrogation, OP smartly used the game mechanics to protect his wagon. If he can do it, other players can do it too (and thanks OP for the proof).

Whatever you're doing, you're not supposed to travel safely in this harsh world when you're 50+. So we can all have an opinion about afk killers, how lame it is to kill an afk player or a low geared one, but that's how the game is.

For sure, if you consider that no one should be able to do that, you'll probably see it as toxic but if you're ready for it, that's merely a possible occurrence, a challenge, and sometimes a source of fun. 

Punishment or a good set of rules can regulate that. 

Wording. Owpvp is owpvp. Owpvp game or game with owpvp feature, who cares ?

Your message is already a restrictive definition of owpvp, and is probably only one of the possible definitions.

I guess that is the issue a segment of weak humans consider killing a player on a horse with no gear or ability to fight back "player versus player" but for the bulk of the same world there was no versus anything. Also you need mental help if a person afk is triggering you, no really you got serious issues please get help.

I get the outlaw aspect and I think it's reasonable in a role playing game the problem is the outlaws are epic pussies who actually don't want to be outlaws they just want to be bullies with no consequences. That is the issue anytime a game implements proper penalties to outlaws the outlaws cry endlessly like little bitches because they are actually bad trash heaps who just claim they want to outlaw when all they want to do is grief and bully. Again killing someone afk horsing is not pvp it's just a mentally pathetic human hoping to inflict misery on another person who isn't there to prevent it. Like killing your neighbors cat when he isn't around to stop you it's incredibly pathetic act by an incredibly weak and pathetic person.

Ya this is just a dirty lie and we all know it. They are not role playing some private or outlaw and they cry miserably anytime games have proper punishment for role playing outlaws. It's just weak pathetic people trying to inflict misery onto others who they know are powerless to stop them and they will get no consequences even if they could. If they actually implemented real punishment for outlaws and pirates I would accept this line but anytime they do you hardcore pirate types bitch and moan like the pained you are.

"You"?

Sorry mate, I'm a 634 witchey, we don't really do the whole red adventure thing~~

All I vouch for is the civilized times of DFS

With that being said, Bounty Hunters are a thing, that will gladly go after players like you that I can promise...

Red Shais on carracks (something I'm less of a fan of as I can't really fight back, but instead of asking for the naval karma failure I just wanted my Trina axe to work)

Balenos police taking it up for endangered species

Mudster friends group

There's plenty of examples of (groups of) red players finding alternative content in the game. Sometimes with a set of rules, sometimes all out carnage.

The truth of it though? You're here talking about consequences? Let's talk consequences...

If I kill you at orcs, ah dang, you respawn at node and run back, there goes 1minute of loot scroll and a frenzy (maybe even a magical frenzy dear oh dear)

This post? Oh no, a fella lost 300m in crates. Bummer, quite the nasty hit... Should've probably followed every guide ever about trading, just to be safe.

Fed to mobs, dang, but hey you're positive karma, you lost 2 Elkarrs, that's a big 600m...

Now our red friend here...? Think he can afk? Think he can just, idk, go get a drink while in town? Even while in his own house? Hah!

There goes a PEN Blackstar. Do I need to tell you how much that is in Billions

There are consequences for being red. Plenty of them, given that karmabombing has been the single most effective ow pvp weapon since the karma system was implemented.

So before you start talking about consequences and punishment, perhaps you should go out and find some (older) examples of red players and the morals they have stood for, or the hardships they've endured :)