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Mythical Dine Appearance Feedback
Jan 28, 2022, 16:58 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 24, 2022, 15:58 (UTC)
# 1

So, we had a KR stream that showcased the following:

https://streamable.com/4it2x3

And honestly, I have read several complaints about it in the Horse Discord that I thought about outlining in this post in hopes that the devs look at them.

- Where is the Horn?

The Dream Dine has never been referred as unicorn anywhere in the game. However the lack of a horn is not well received by most of the community, you can't (even though you technical can) remove one of the most characteristic parts of this Dream/Mythical Horse, it's integral to Dine and should be on it's Mythical succesor.

- This is a water Doom.

We knew not to expect a lot because Mythical Arduanatt is just a recolor, but this design is downright insulting. Not only the lack of horn makes this a water Doom recolor, but you had the audacity to use the same fire effect, just blue. This is not what we wanted when we said how cool a "white doom with blue flames" would be.

Just compare both yourself, open this and the above streamable link side by side: Doom Effect

- The base is too basic.

There is a clear lack of markings compared to Mythical Arduanatt. Otherwise just have this T7 with water effects.

Please embelish the horse with more markings that shine in a color that harmonizes better with the theme color palette. They seem to shine..silver? A blue hue would be more appropriate. As well as more design, I personally think a pink nose would be really cute. A lot of white horses have gray or pink noses.

- It looks bald.

At least Doom has a mane and tail to compliment the effects. This guy? Clean enough shave to be in a razor commercial. It looks just as bad as a horse with barding turned on but champron turned off. (Unless the bad quality makes the mane hard to see. But I really don't think there is one. Or Tail.) Which unfortunately was ANOTHER of the beloved features in Dream Dine, it's fluffy mane and tail design.

I understand you want to make it look different to please the "T10 Pega is just a recolor" crowd. But this is a worse alternative than a Dream Dine recolor.

- Lower Graphics Mythical Dine.

The biggest "trait" of this design is the water. What will happen to that water to a player that doesn't use Remastered or Ultra High Settings? Will the bald look be even more prominent?

- Iridescent effect-coloration(?)

From concept art, I thought the base color of Mythical Dine would look Iridescent, as it has different hues of pink and light blue across it's back. I honestly thought it would look like the Termine seashell armor. But the design seems to take the lazy and literal route of having a blue hue on the back and pink on the rear. Perhaps it depends on light and angle? But a lot of us agree the base looks bland and empty. And whatever those marks are doing in the video, it doesn't look right.

We can only hope that the water-watlking mechanic is good. Because I have a feeling Mythical Dine might lose the ability to traverse the Desert. Let's hope I'm wrong and that's why they showed it in Ibellab Oasis.

I might sound like an entitled brat but honestly, If you think this design of 3% static chance mythical Dine, something that could take you over a year to achieve, can look this mediocre...then idk what to tell you.

- It doesn't hurt you as a company to look at player feedback and ideas.

A lot of players have put their own interpretations of Mythical Dine before the concept was released and are now putting a lot of feedback forward with the teaser. Don't turn a blind eye on the Horse community. Cause a lot of players don't care for even getting a Dream Horse and this honestly demotivates even horse trainers. You could say "Just don't get it if you don't like it." Which is true, but we are arguing here about the low effort for such a rare mount from the development Team.

I personally understand if this is a "Work in Progress" but if this is your proposal for finished appareance. You need to get a grip PA.

A few examples: X X X (On page 2)

 Anyone who sees any more please put it forward with credit. Share your own.

This is my newest design. I decided to add it to this front post as many in the Horse Discord really liked it. Breakdown of design in Page 3.

BASE BY BLACKWEAVILE IN THE HORSE DISCORD. PLEASE CHECK OUT HER DESIGN AS WELL IN PAGE TWO.

Edit: anything you see in purple font was added after this originally post was created.

Check out my Mythical Doom Idea Thread: [Feedback] Mythical Doom Idea Dump | Black Desert NA/EU/OC (playblackdesert.com)

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 17:27 (UTC)
# 2

That horse face does not look like a horse.

that "water" look more like fire than water.

And it does not have the majestic Dine square standing pose.

This is just pure laziness of whomever in charge of the content. It is like slabbing some garbage on a hole then call it a day.

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 17:43 (UTC)
# 3

"Horn has been lost during the breeding process. Please understand."

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 18:49 (UTC)
# 4
On: Jan 28, 2022, 17:27 (UTC), Written by Divaokhodan

That horse face does not look like a horse.

that "water" look more like fire than water.

And it does not have the majestic Dine square standing pose.

This is just pure laziness of whomever in charge of the content. It is like slabbing some garbage on a hole then call it a day.

I'm not sure about the issues with the face...cause I'm pretty sure this is a re-used model. Maybe it's the baldness.

On: Jan 28, 2022, 17:43 (UTC), Written by AvrilLaguigne

"Horn has been lost during the breeding process. Please understand."

Maybe the horns from both t9 cancelled each other out when making a t10. lol

Memeee

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 18:49 (UTC)
# 5

sick looking doom bro. (please fix this shit holy fuck)

Literally just a doom recolor. Animations are EXACTLY the same with little to no visible difference, just opacity turned down and color changed. I saw the picture, was disappointed, thought "maybe the animations will do it justice!" It most certainly did not. Just made it worse. I knew PA was lazy and didn't care about horses but this is a new level of insulting. You postpone it from the original release date of September 8th and give us this? What a joke. At least make the water look and flow like actual water, and while you're at it, give us the horn back too. Thanks :)

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 18:49 (UTC)
# 6

So, going point by point here.

I agree with the horn. It doesnt seem like Dine without it.

The water doom point. The effects arent the same. I compared them as suggested. They look similar, but thats moreso a case of water and fire looking similar in general effects-wise.
As for the bald point, I do agree with this to a degree, although if they added hair under the water it really would look like a doom. I feel like this could be fixed by making the water less transparent at the base of the mane and tail.
Irredecent colouration could be nice in theory, but I feel like once in game it would make the horse plastic looking, similar to how the t10 pegasus looks now. Get that thing wet and it turns into a mirror.
I see no reason as to why it would lose the desert walking ability. Nothing was removed from t10 Pegasus, so I dont understand where that concern came from.

I for one have a different complaint about both of the t10 designs we have, in that the markings on them are a downgrade from the t9 ones. Less intricate, and both the horses look bare compared to the t9 versions.

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 19:00 (UTC)
# 7
On: Jan 28, 2022, 18:49 (UTC), Written by Blackweavile

So, going point by point here.

I agree with the horn. It doesnt seem like Dine without it.

The water doom point. The effects arent the same. I compared them as suggested. They look similar, but thats moreso a case of water and fire looking similar in general effects-wise.
As for the bald point, I do agree with this to a degree, although if they added hair under the water it really would look like a doom. I feel like this could be fixed by making the water less transparent at the base of the mane and tail.
Irredecent colouration could be nice in theory, but I feel like once in game it would make the horse plastic looking, similar to how the t10 pegasus looks now. Get that thing wet and it turns into a mirror.
I see no reason as to why it would lose the desert walking ability. Nothing was removed from t10 Pegasus, so I dont understand where that concern came from.

I for one have a different complaint about both of the t10 designs we have, in that the markings on them are a downgrade from the t9 ones. Less intricate, and both the horses look bare compared to the t9 versions.

Absolutely valid points.

I'll agree to disagree on the effects, while you are right that they are not exactly the same. They are still way too similar in my opinion. If we have to look that hard to see the "difference" then...it's probably not a good thing.

As for the bald thing, I mean more like the forehead looks too bare. I don't want them to add hair specifically, if they added more of the "water" effect in the foreheead, that would be fine by me :p

The Iridescent, true we don't know how it would translate ingame. However I think a lot of people agree that it looks too plain.

Specially with less markings like you said! Mythical Arduanatt has sooo many markings.

And idk about the Desert walking ability man... I hope I'm wrong about that one. The chance of theme is probably what made me concerned.

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 19:46 (UTC)
# 8

I love the work behind the t9 horses, I didn't appreciate that the t10 pegasus was just recoloring but I managed to accept it, but I can't accept that my expectations were very high for the t10 dinè and instead I only see a bald doom, I can also accept the copy of the doom effect but I cannot accept this poor base, the dinè is a beautiful and elegant horse that shines compared to all the others, this is not what the people wanted for it,and the horn?? please..

Last Edit : Jan 28, 2022, 22:48 (UTC)
# 9

As a unicorn girl who was ADVOCATING for not just a recolor like peggy..I mostly love it and I'll go through what I agree and disagree with!

1.) The horn. 100% yes add one
Something we've all complained about since the first picture. Even saw someone edit one on! Just putting the t9 horn and coloring it blue instead, maybe a nice lil afterglow would be cute and simple. As her trade mark feature it needs to be there.

2.) The water. Don't remove the water if you can't do it, but do tweak it.
And I don't mean add hair...that would be too much doom. And tbh I hated that look on doom to begin with. My main issue is it doesn't act like water flows. The animation or shape (on mane) of it could be differently displayed and therefore change the outlook drastically. I'll explain:

A. The shape is doom shaped. I expect the hair to be "up" because its an effect-based mane, but the shape is too similar. The overarch of the mane at the ears especially. 
vs 

B. The effects have spark-like trails at the end. Kind of like how in remastered, some peoples blocks gives a huge particle effect. It doesn't look like water droplets. The tail looks fine to me because it has water distortions and it flows downwards. For the mane, perhaps tweak it. I have a hard time visualizing what looks better without seeing it. Could be as simple as slowing the fallout particle animation or adding more specifics like the tail has an increase of particles as it swooshes left to right.

3.) The pearlescent body. Needs more reflection areas(?) 
I can't tell much from the given presentation. It looks like there is color where the water meets the body, which is good! Since thats how the pearl works. But the effects of it looks to bare on the rest of the body. Could it be shine that makes it better? Perhaps. What I want to see is the color reflecting different colors on most parts of the body. especially neck/butt/sides of the body.
To put it simply, you need a large amount of the body to be reflective because pearlescent is just the reflection of light at different angles creating the "pseudocolors" you see.

4.) The overall effects outside of the body. I love it please keep.
The water trailing upwards that isn't connected to her body actually looks like water. Especially the droplets around her upper right shoulder is stunning and absolutely lives up to my dreams of this horse.

Overall? I'm happy. It really only needs a horn and few tweaks to get an 110% love for me. It is so much better than just a recolor like peggy was. I love the look of peggy but that t10 recolor was devastating. This is much more the direction of what a t10 version expectation should be like and even if nothing changes to it I'm still way happier than with peggy. So thank you the dev team for keeping her elegance.

Last Edit : Jan 29, 2022, 00:21 (UTC)
# 10

I think it's not too bad, but feel the horse should be more 'blue' so it feels it and the water effects/animations are one.

Right now it looks a little too much just like a white horse with water animations added on.

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