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#Sage
Sage Struggling In New Meta Please Fix
Jan 30, 2022, 05:42 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 13, 2022, 06:10 (UTC)
# 21
On: Feb 13, 2022, 00:52 (UTC), Written by spregtseuchweg

im impressed there are still people playing this class.

There are few left only those of us who really like the class , hopefully PA does something about it.
Last Edit : Feb 16, 2022, 13:32 (UTC)
# 22

bump, dont let this class die. Make it at least decent. The reboot killed this class completely, its time to re-view the core concept of this class and re-design it. The current core concept wont make it in the current meta of insane damage + insane protected mobility.

At the very minimum, reduce the stamina cost of Bolt and give iframe when off cooldown, similar to other classes. Revert Lightning Prison nerf and bring back the 100% critical damage and terrain check. It is impossible to hit anyone who is slightly under or above you since the hard nerf to the elevation of the skill.

Would also love to have Super Armor on spear bolt (remove Frontal guard Core skill) and replace the core for Stiffness.

if you really want to fix the class, consider either giving it back the iframes or increasing the base DP of the class to something similar to guardian.
You cant be a Super Armor trade class when you cant take a single hit due to being the second most squishy class ingame (first being archer, but at least they have range and decent instant iframes).

it is about time to give Sage an identity, either making it a SA trade class with decent defense, or increasing its survivability through iframes.

Also, for really fixing the class, maybe consider fixing the engine to avoid stuttering when dashing if you are hit by a skill with a lot of hits. Really annoying. 

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Last Edit : Feb 17, 2022, 12:33 (UTC)
# 24
On: Feb 16, 2022, 13:26 (UTC), Written by Wolfadal

bump, dont let this class die. Make it at least decent. The reboot killed this class completely, its time to re-view the core concept of this class and re-design it. The current core concept wont make it in the current meta of insane damage + insane protected mobility.

At the very minimum, reduce the stamina cost of Bolt and give iframe when off cooldown, similar to other classes. Revert Lightning Prison nerf and bring back the 100% critical damage and terrain check. It is impossible to hit anyone who is slightly under or above you since the hard nerf to the elevation of the skill.

Would also love to have Super Armor on spear bolt (remove Frontal guard Core skill) and replace the core for Stiffness.

if you really want to fix the class, consider either giving it back the iframes or increasing the base DP of the class to something similar to guardian.
You cant be a Super Armor trade class when you cant take a single hit due to being the second most squishy class ingame (first being archer, but at least they have range and decent instant iframes).

it is about time to give Sage an identity, either making it a SA trade class with decent defense, or increasing its survivability through iframes.

Also, for really fixing the class, maybe consider fixing the engine to avoid stuttering when dashing if you are hit by a skill with a lot of hits. Really annoying. 

As most of the Sage players said. Ironically we are outdated class. 

Last Edit : Feb 17, 2022, 20:04 (UTC)
# 25

Oddest part to me, reworks were supposed to bring older/outdated classes up to current levels...but if they reverted every nerf on Sage, he still wouldn't work in this meta. Biggest issue with Sage, was several geared players could easily stomp new players w/ the teleport mechanics....his entire gimmick. But experienced players don't fall for it, and we don't dish out enough damage to be a threat anyways. Coupled with how horrendous the Stam Regen is, good luck. EU VS RU Part 1 finished and not a single Sage showed up out of 100's of players....but somehow, trash players are still somehow finding it op....come on PA.

Last Edit : Feb 18, 2022, 12:55 (UTC)
# 26

The reboot was intended to bring ouydated classes to be on pair of the new classes, at the same time sage got nerfed AGAIN. And after seeing classes like musa or zerker there is no way sage can stay competitive even if all the nerfs were reverted.
Come on PA, what else do you need us to do?

Last Edit : Feb 20, 2022, 00:33 (UTC)
# 27

I 100% believe Sage is a class that suffers from thematic issues. When Sage was originally released he was advertised as a mix between Sorc and Wiz, which should be a combination of utility skills and the ability to move in and out of combat. In reality all he really had was this long I-frame, after it got removed there werent really other mechanics he was hiding. None of his skills have unique modifiers such as scaling with MP or regen in Rift Chain. Majority of his skills lack any sustain towards himself or his allies. The skills he needed to make up for his defense nerf never existed in the kit. Awakenings release was advertised as a scrapping class with mid range damage hence the grab. While in reality it was just another spammable I-frame, when It was inevitably nerfed the kit yet again had nothing to bring besides it. Devoid of any innate sustain or avenues of defense beyond what was removed.

Conclusion: He doesn't scale with anything, regardless of if he stays a caster or a scrapper without a form of damage mitigation he will always fall behind.

Sidenote: I don't believe Sage should have a succession. In both Awak and Succ storys Sage gains power by learning more about his past. In Succ he doesnt absorb the Kibelus but fixes the Kyve which empowers it to a new level. It should be known that these are autonomous machines not just magic he's weilding. IMO it should be just like Archer but the main hand should be a summon that can be switched to.

Last Edit : Feb 20, 2022, 19:26 (UTC)
# 28
On: Feb 20, 2022, 00:33 (UTC), Written by Bran

I 100% believe Sage is a class that suffers from thematic issues. When Sage was originally released he was advertised as a mix between Sorc and Wiz, which should be a combination of utility skills and the ability to move in and out of combat. In reality all he really had was this long I-frame, after it got removed there werent really other mechanics he was hiding. None of his skills have unique modifiers such as scaling with MP or regen in Rift Chain. Majority of his skills lack any sustain towards himself or his allies. The skills he needed to make up for his defense nerf never existed in the kit. Awakenings release was advertised as a scrapping class with mid range damage hence the grab. While in reality it was just another spammable I-frame, when It was inevitably nerfed the kit yet again had nothing to bring besides it. Devoid of any innate sustain or avenues of defense beyond what was removed.

Conclusion: He doesn't scale with anything, regardless of if he stays a caster or a scrapper without a form of damage mitigation he will always fall behind.

Sidenote: I don't believe Sage should have a succession. In both Awak and Succ storys Sage gains power by learning more about his past. In Succ he doesnt absorb the Kibelus but fixes the Kyve which empowers it to a new level. It should be known that these are autonomous machines not just magic he's weilding. IMO it should be just like Archer but the main hand should be a summon that can be switched to.

I agree 100%, I hate that Succ/Awa are split. Should've been like Archer, one cohesive kit. The Kyve should transform into Kibelus and vice versa.

Last Edit : Feb 22, 2022, 08:46 (UTC)
# 29

You guys waiting for ranked arena and more class balances?

Sure here is the lifeskill update 

Last Edit : Feb 22, 2022, 23:08 (UTC)
# 30
On: Feb 22, 2022, 08:46 (UTC), Written by ManOfKebab

You guys waiting for ranked arena and more class balances?

Sure here is the lifeskill update 

Yeah, that pretty much crushed the spirits in discord. It's just the same 5 of us trying to find ways to make it work. Part 2 of EU vs RU ended and watched video on youtube...surprise surprise, not a single Sage effect seen...come on PA, when you literally stream NW/Sieges and see almost every other class in the game make an appearance, but not a single Sage show up, when most ppl say he's great in NW/Siege...is a problem.

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