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Succ berserker deserves a nerf
Feb 17, 2022, 12:46 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 21:50 (UTC)
# 11

EU:

11 Drakania. 5 Nova (2 Awakening). 5 Shai. 4 Hash. 6 Musa. 6 Zerkers. 6 Sages. 4 Valks (Awakening all). 2 Sorc. 3 Maehwas. 2 Rangers.

4 Strikers. 4 Maegus. 5 Ninjas. 3 Kunos. 9 Mystics. 3 Wizards. 3 Tamers. 1 Warrior (Succesion) 4 Dark Knights. 2 Lahns. 3 Woosas.

So we basically have:

1. The Slowbies: 3 (Super) Novas on Sucession, 5 Shais (they dont count), 1 Warrior (Succesion Crazy Guy) = 9

2. Super Fast Mobility creep, AoE, I-Frame/ CC Bust and Superarmor Classes = 91

That's the Meta i am talking about. Add to that Dice Roll of CC and Resistances.

Class Ranking Score (Performance):

1x T3 Warrior. 2x T4, 3x T3 Hash. 6x T4 Sages. 5x T4 Rangers. 0x T3 Guards. 1x T5, 1x T4, 12x T3 Drakanias. 3x T3 Sorceresses.

1x T4, 4x T3 Novas. 0x T3 Corsairs. 2x T3 Lahns. 6x T3 Zerkers. 4x T3 Maegus. 3x T3 Tamers. 1x T4, 4x T3 Shais. 5x T3 Strikers.

1x T4, 7x T3 Musas. 5x T3 Maehwas. 9x T3 Mystics. 4x T3 Valks. 3x T3 Kunos. 5x T3 Ninjas. 5x T3 Dark Knights. 3x T3 Wizards.

0x T3 Archers. 3x T3 Woosas. 1x T3 Witch.

Wont even talk about Warrior, if it weren't for Alpaslan it would be non existant.

Hash doing ok in current Meta, Sages too, Rangers ok, Guardians have been really punished and encounter similar problems Warriors face. Drakanias have alot of broken mechanics we know that. Sorceress would be dead already if it weren't for her I-Frames (Seriously its the only thing saving her. Those Nova's 3 are Succesion (Her Buff worked abit so people who play her well can get results finally).

Corsairs are forgotten i rarely encounter them. Lahns same which is really sad for a Traditional Class. Zerkers are the only ones who counter the current Mobility Creep Meta of Glass Canons. Maegus have broken mechanics still but at least the nerf did something. Tamers... I dont even notice them. Shai is just Shai. Strikers are a bit rarer this days but their CC chaining is still broken and they are very tanky. Musas dominate the field because they're fast. Maehwas same as Musas. Meanwhile Mystics became the New Striker on steroids (sorry i meant hormones). Valk well... Everyone says she's OP which is nonsense. She does well but not something gamechanging she is just a balanced good class... Yet people want to nerf her! Imagine. Kunos are just annoying as usual. Ninjas same. Dark Knight does ok. Wizards too but sometimes they can be weak but their issues are those High Movement Speed Creep CC Classes not others. Same goes for Witch but she has been forgotten. Archers (The Nerf was bad!). Woosas are balanced unlike Maegu.

That's what i encounter and thats AoS.

Openworld PvP and Duels are nothing like AoS.

AoS simply failed.

I didn't even mention Evasion since by gear checking i can see most go DR. But wait, there are ''Passives'' :P

So to stay on topic. I am glad most of those FOTM Classes have a broken Zerker to annoy them.

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 21:47 (UTC)
# 12

Not sure why you keep mentioning aos at all

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 21:56 (UTC)
# 13

Well supposedly its the ''Sanctuary of Class Balanced PvP Encounters'' according to what the developers wanted to achieve so things should be ok there...or maybe not.

But if Open World Class Balance despite GS is better than why should only Zerker get a Nerf? Why not everything that's broken first and then we can just focus on Zerker Stamina Management.

Nerfs are usually bad and destroy awesome classes so i am against it. I can't say i support bringing everyone on par with Meta Classes is good either since broken mechanics will still exist and it becomes an endless loop.

But you're right.

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 22:52 (UTC)
# 14

Then why did you list 3 classes that are moderately well represented, or under represented and claim that pvp was being dominated by them, pointing to AoS as the source for your claims?

As for why zerker should be nerfed, it seems plainly evident that that class in particular is overperforming even amidst a sea of other overperforming classes. You nerf classes that stand head and shoulders above their peers to help combat power creep in your game.

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2023, 23:44 (UTC)
# 15
On: Jul 24, 2023, 21:34 (UTC), Written by LordDagon

EU:

11 Drakania. 5 Nova (2 Awakening). 5 Shai. 4 Hash. 6 Musa. 6 Zerkers. 6 Sages. 4 Valks (Awakening all). 2 Sorc. 3 Maehwas. 2 Rangers.

4 Strikers. 4 Maegus. 5 Ninjas. 3 Kunos. 9 Mystics. 3 Wizards. 3 Tamers. 1 Warrior (Succesion) 4 Dark Knights. 2 Lahns. 3 Woosas.

So we basically have:

1. The Slowbies: 3 (Super) Novas on Sucession, 5 Shais (they dont count), 1 Warrior (Succesion Crazy Guy) = 9

2. Super Fast Mobility creep, AoE, I-Frame/ CC Bust and Superarmor Classes = 91

That's the Meta i am talking about. Add to that Dice Roll of CC and Resistances.

Class Ranking Score (Performance):

1x T3 Warrior. 2x T4, 3x T3 Hash. 6x T4 Sages. 5x T4 Rangers. 0x T3 Guards. 1x T5, 1x T4, 12x T3 Drakanias. 3x T3 Sorceresses.

1x T4, 4x T3 Novas. 0x T3 Corsairs. 2x T3 Lahns. 6x T3 Zerkers. 4x T3 Maegus. 3x T3 Tamers. 1x T4, 4x T3 Shais. 5x T3 Strikers.

1x T4, 7x T3 Musas. 5x T3 Maehwas. 9x T3 Mystics. 4x T3 Valks. 3x T3 Kunos. 5x T3 Ninjas. 5x T3 Dark Knights. 3x T3 Wizards.

0x T3 Archers. 3x T3 Woosas. 1x T3 Witch.

Wont even talk about Warrior, if it weren't for Alpaslan it would be non existant.

Hash doing ok in current Meta, Sages too, Rangers ok, Guardians have been really punished and encounter similar problems Warriors face. Drakanias have alot of broken mechanics we know that. Sorceress would be dead already if it weren't for her I-Frames (Seriously its the only thing saving her. Those Nova's 3 are Succesion (Her Buff worked abit so people who play her well can get results finally).

Corsairs are forgotten i rarely encounter them. Lahns same which is really sad for a Traditional Class. Zerkers are the only ones who counter the current Mobility Creep Meta of Glass Canons. Maegus have broken mechanics still but at least the nerf did something. Tamers... I dont even notice them. Shai is just Shai. Strikers are a bit rarer this days but their CC chaining is still broken and they are very tanky. Musas dominate the field because they're fast. Maehwas same as Musas. Meanwhile Mystics became the New Striker on steroids (sorry i meant hormones). Valk well... Everyone says she's OP which is nonsense. She does well but not something gamechanging she is just a balanced good class... Yet people want to nerf her! Imagine. Kunos are just annoying as usual. Ninjas same. Dark Knight does ok. Wizards too but sometimes they can be weak but their issues are those High Movement Speed Creep CC Classes not others. Same goes for Witch but she has been forgotten. Archers (The Nerf was bad!). Woosas are balanced unlike Maegu.

That's what i encounter and thats AoS.

Openworld PvP and Duels are nothing like AoS.

AoS simply failed.

I didn't even mention Evasion since by gear checking i can see most go DR. But wait, there are ''Passives'' :P

So to stay on topic. I am glad most of those FOTM Classes have a broken Zerker to annoy them.

Wait untill you notice alot of the kunos stopped playing after recent nerf for pvp. Also they have been on other classes since most of them been using awaken Musa  or zerk kekw the points are based on what class with the most play time

Last Edit : Jul 25, 2023, 04:09 (UTC)
# 16

OP made this topic a year and half ago, every tier list made since then has placed Zerker at the very top for both PvE and PvP, and Zerker still hasn't been touched.  Any time the devs try to say they care about proper balance in BDO, they are straight up lying to us.

Last Edit : Jul 25, 2023, 17:08 (UTC)
# 17
On: Jul 25, 2023, 04:09 (UTC), Written by KicksHigh

OP made this topic a year and half ago, every tier list made since then has placed Zerker at the very top for both PvE and PvP, and Zerker still hasn't been touched.  Any time the devs try to say they care about proper balance in BDO, they are straight up lying to us.

When can we stop nerfing? 

Last Edit : Jul 26, 2023, 16:21 (UTC)
# 18

Imagine asking about zerker nerf and ignoring the zoom zoom class awk nova.

Last Edit : Jul 27, 2023, 06:54 (UTC)
# 19
On: Jul 25, 2023, 04:09 (UTC), Written by KicksHigh

OP made this topic a year and half ago, every tier list made since then has placed Zerker at the very top for both PvE and PvP, and Zerker still hasn't been touched.  Any time the devs try to say they care about proper balance in BDO, they are straight up lying to us.

because developers dont read these forums or care about actual balance outside of korea and there berserker isnt a popular class coz everyone plays some big tiddied half naked girl character.

Last Edit : Jul 27, 2023, 10:46 (UTC)
# 20

Well, you're almost right. The game's lead plays a zerker.

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