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Linux support
Mar 24, 2022, 11:12 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 25, 2022, 16:23 (UTC)
# 11
On: Mar 24, 2022, 13:21 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

Please excuse my lengthy post, there's a few topics I want to touch on...

Window 10 doesn't have to be spyware.

#1 if you use windows 10 Pro you have 100% control over how windows behaves. It's like $50 more but worth the money. BUT you can still go around everything in home edition and even install pro stuff on home if you know what you're doing.

#2 If you use OOSU10, it makes life a heck of a lot easier to control windows privacy settings even with windows 10 home. 100% of the privacy settings can be controlled with windows 10 home edition and there's no forced updates, or telemetry if you know what you're doing. Every now and then, launch it and see if windows changed anything. It won't if you did things correctly but when you do plan to do a windows update, things get tricky and microsoft changes things. Make sure you do update OOSU10 once in a while.

#3 Windows 11 is an entirely different story. It's absolutely creepy. Stay away from it for the time being or forever.

There are guides everywhere to help do it manually but OOSU10 is free (pay what you want if you want, no e-mail to download either).

I think you are more at risk using linux than you are with windows if you're not a seasoned administrator. Linux is difficult to setup and configure correctly and securely no matter the distro unless of course, you know what you are doing. For example, just because you're using linux doesn't mean you shouldn't configure your antivirus. There are many other things to configure but the fact that people often jump to linux or mac and think everything is fine without an AV is upsetting.

Now, let's say you are still convinced to use linux or mac, I would still urge people to consider at least installing windows on another partition somewhere just for gaming. Most games do not work in linux and if they do, the performance is significantly worse (generally) and you will likely encounter a lot of issues. Linux has made significant strides and I want to see it surpass windows one day since Microsoft is as everyone would expect, actually evil at the top and disorganized going down the food chain. I want to also ditch Windows but there are too many things that's keeping me there at home and every time I use home editions of linux like say Ubuntu, I feel disappointed that this is the state of linux. On the plus side, videocard support is a lot better than it was 15 years ago and you can actually have good performance with them. I have heard that in some instances it's even better than windows but most will not be.

Linux will get there eventually but for now it's not. Feel free to use it as you like but just know that most of what you use on a daily basis probably will not work correctly so "sideload" windows either in VM or on a secondary partition when you want to use those things. Always use OOSU10 and follow guides on protecting your privacy, windows is a service now and not a proper OS. The three letter agencies aren't coming to get you for having a pirated copy of thomas the tank engine but if you install windows 11, you might end up in trouble for what you do have on your PC since at the core, A.I. is being used to analyze you. Your data is important and should be protected at all cost. The new generation of kids don't appreciate user privacy and use their phones all the time and embrace services like alexa because to them, it's fine since it's not instant karma.

I know windows 10 is my last OS. I said that at windows 7 but people found ways around the creepware of 10 so I was fine with it. But windows 11 is too creepy, even blocking all windows servers from the hosts file / your router is not enough. Just because you don't have anything to hide, it doesn't mean that you want anyone to know who you are, what you are doing, what you are thinking, what you are planning on doing or create a profile about your interests etc... To have a digital shadow of you is disturbing and how some people think this is ok is pretty crazy.

Let's hope that Linux sees full support and doesn't become the next evil Microsoft

At some point Win 10 won't be supported by microsoft anymore so the switch to 11 will be almost mandatory that's why I switched. Plus Linux just runs better on my computer (I don't know for others just my experience with it) there is some jank here and there I have to deal with but nothing particulary aggregious.

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2022, 16:24 (UTC)
# 12
On: Mar 24, 2022, 12:02 (UTC), Written by Megta

Wait a sec. These two don't ad up:

You don't want spyware on your PC but you use Steam?

Well I may be a fool but I actually trust Gaben doing the right thing with my data since Valve isn't publicly listed like microsoft.

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2022, 16:27 (UTC)
# 13
On: Mar 24, 2022, 13:20 (UTC), Written by Megta

The 4.25 % is maybe for Linux OS users in general! But the percentage of gamers who use Linux for gaming is much lower and the percentage of them who want to play BDO on Linux is even less!
I would say even the 0.01% is to high.

If you're only taking the current situation into account which is : it's impossible to play BDO on linux.

If there isn't even the choice of course the % will be low. It will in fact be 0% since nobody has the choice of switching.

All I'm saying is that Valve made it easy for devs to support EAC on linux. PA could develop a linux build but they don't even have to in that case.

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2022, 17:49 (UTC)
# 14
Am 25. Mrz 2022, 16:24 (UTC), von Paincho

Well I may be a fool but I actually trust Gaben doing the right thing with my data since Valve isn't publicly listed like microsoft.

So you install spyware on your machine if you think the one who made it is a "good guy"?

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Last Edit : Sep 7, 2022, 13:10 (UTC)
# 15

It may be a good time to switch to FFXIV. I'm running it flawlessly on Linux.  BDO... well can't say I didn't try. FF is a a whole different mindset but it's nevertheless a great game. It's story-driven but it's an incredible story.

Last Edit : Dec 3, 2022, 14:06 (UTC)
# 16

+1 for linux support, been playing the game for a few years and was hoping to continue playing after I move over to linux fulltime sometime early next year.

Since there's no support in the horizon, I've quit several months ago because I don't see any reason to stick to a game that I'll have to abandon, so I slowly abandoned it in my own time.

The reason for moving over to linux rather than sticking with windows 10 till 2025 is similar reason why I quit BDO even though I'm still on windows, because in the future it's going to be very difficult to cold-turkey stop on the same day, rather than slowly stopping and transitioning over a period of months/years.

Now, why even transfer over from windows to linux? Well, the future doesn't look too good, at least for me, win 11 is clamping down on more and more spyware, and even win 10 I don't like much (I'm on win 8.1 still). There's rumours and speculation that microsoft will introduce more annoying stuff in future windows versions like monitoring whatever file you're opening and restricting it if it doesn't like it, more virtualization that will supposedly improve security, but obviously lower performance (and control).

Last Edit : Dec 3, 2022, 19:16 (UTC)
# 17
On: Mar 25, 2022, 16:23 (UTC), Written by Paincho

At some point Win 10 won't be supported by microsoft anymore so the switch to 11 will be almost mandatory that's why I switched. Plus Linux just runs better on my computer (I don't know for others just my experience with it) there is some jank here and there I have to deal with but nothing particulary aggregious.

This is a fair point, the current estimate is october 2025 but it could be further away than that or sooner. Microsoft really wants to know everything you're doing down to your filenames. This is a fact of life and something most people accept willingly or no. "If you have nothing to hide" is the same stupid counter they always use and it makes no sense. Linux is the path of the future, I agree with that but can it really? You will need nvidia and AMD's support, both are very much disinterested in the open source model.

EAC supports linux these days but whether or not this game can compile with openGL support is unknown -- probably not. Windows 10 is practically perfect if it weren't for the inherit spyware. Windows 11 is a bug infested, broken down piece of spyware garbage and it shouldn't be legal to call it an operating system.

I hope that the counter-woke culture that is trending right now also rages against the machine so that we can do away with all this adware / spyware stuff that companies force down our throat. I want to play a game like BDO without wondering if the CUDA cores isn't trying to figure out the things i like and don't like in a game and sell it to their friends. Sure, sounds crazy now but wait until this becomes the norm. It's already the norm with facebook VR stuff -- sorry, "META" VR. They use eye tracking and context awareness stuff. It's really creepy. "You stared at this character for a while, you must have liked this character". Eweee

The future will be grim unless we work together to push against these data brokers. Asking for Linux support in the games we love to play is part of the fight. Sorry for sounding gloomy, but I would also like to see BDO being supported by Linux and thought I had to illustrate the reasoning behind this. But this is more of a hope, PA might not make money out of this decision, it would most likely be a loss but the privacy advocate inside me really wishes they could push for this.

Last Edit : Dec 3, 2022, 21:40 (UTC)
# 18
On: Dec 3, 2022, 19:16 (UTC), Written by Tooshaitopost

EAC supports linux these days but whether or not this game can compile with openGL support is unknown -- probably not. Windows 10 is practically perfect if it weren't for the inherit spyware. Windows 11 is a bug infested, broken down piece of spyware garbage and it shouldn't be legal to call it an operating system.

It's not quite that bad on linux, for over a decade now there's been various means of running windows applications on linux, and it's settled down now to translation, basically people overtime figured out how to translate the windows API calls like directx and other libraries into linux ones. Specifically wine/proton can translate directx calls into vulkan and linux handles that by itself because vulkan is linux native. Don't need to recompile anything really, just need to tinker around on setting things up, it'd probably be way too much of a nightmare to recompile a big game like BDO, especially without any knowledge prior.

It used to be pretty grim back in the mid/late 2000s, you could still run some windows software/games here and there, but it'd be like at a 30% performance panalty, nowadays it's roughly a few percent off. You can even get better performance than windows in some scenarios, especially if you know what you're doing with linux.

This is a fair point, the current estimate is october 2025 but it could be further away than that or sooner. Microsoft really wants to know everything you're doing down to your filenames. This is a fact of life and something most people accept willingly or no. "If you have nothing to hide" is the same stupid counter they always use and it makes no sense. Linux is the path of the future, I agree with that but can it really? You will need nvidia and AMD's support, both are very much disinterested in the open source model.

I've been thinking about it, but I don't really see an alternative, the only good one is linux. There's been many advancements, especially recently, made on linux to get things working, there's really nothing else tbh.

Last Edit : Dec 14, 2022, 08:59 (UTC)
# 19

This is literally the only game I have to run in a VM at this point. Everything else I play works natively or with wine or proton. Please just check box for linux on EAC. You don't even have to provide linux technical support, just click the box. I want to go back to using 1 GPU rather than 2. Please check the box PA.

Last Edit : Jan 30, 2023, 17:16 (UTC)
# 20

yeah, they won't ever enable linux support. theres actually a reason. they do use easy anti cheat, but thats more of a diversion than anything. they have another, custom, anticheat thats basically a more hardcore version of genshin impact's. its extremely shit at actually detecting cheats however its main purpose is just to silently collect user data. its just spyware essentially. its also the reason the game needs admin access, which by the way is the reason it doesn't work on linux; proton doesn't typically allow games to run as root, at least without something showing you whats what. the make changes to your pc dialogue is a lot more discreet, giving it root or superuser access however is not. basically everything in windows needs admin access so its not surprising, however on linux its more eybrow raising. hell, on windows you can't even see the process in task manager kernel level and all. linux distros typically allow easy access. oh also the devs are lazy too this is well known. 

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