I get what u mean but i personally highly dislike it if someone spreads misinformation and blatantly lies. I know nobody who actually plays the game would ever believe him since he is factually wrong but imagine a new player stumbling across this thread, and boom now we have someone who might believe it and then this person will tell his friends etc. And then suddenly u have a vocal group of people spewing the same bullshit that musa is "BeSt SkIrMisHeR clAsS" and so on. I have to correct statements like the ones he made. If at some point he keeps running in cirlces sure ill refrain from answering too, messing with a troll is not worth my time.

      This is a very accurate post for the most part. It addresses the core issues of Musa. I have played Musa for at least 3 years now, and i have mained almost every class at one point or another... Staying completely objective, Musa currently is among the lowest classes for high end pve, doing slightly worse than Tamer, Awakened Kuno, and has been for years now.  A simple look at the overall damage numbers and hits on his skills compared to other classes and the lack of skill buffs/debuffs is all that is needed for reasonable comparrison. On top of that Musa has some of the lowest accuracy modifiers on his skills across the board. Receives No All accuracy Skill buffs, No All Evasion Debuffs, No Accuracy Passives, No accuracy on Ebuff, No All AP buffs save for 20ap on Ebuff. Something most classes receive on a simple low CD skill buff. Remains the only evasion Class with no All Evassion skill buffs or All Evasion on Ebuff and his pasive is for Melee Evasion only. On top of these lacking features No Damage modifier buffs of anykind, No movement speed increases, a single +10% attack speed increase on a useless low damage, unprotected skill, a single all DP -15 debuff. No Grapples or useable iframes... Just looking at this objectively, its not too difficult to see why Musa is in the state it's in. Musa has great mobility, and good protections on its awakening skills. Its catches, tho not great and likely do require more skill than most classes are adequate. The class simply cannot put out enough damage and its less than mediocre hit rate has been an increasing issue for far too long now.  

     I would think it somewhat reasonable to look over Musa's ToolKit and give the class some of these things when so many other classes receive most if not ALL of them. The class needs a serious reasonable look at its overall damage potential.

Yea i totally agree with that, as a Musa its never easy to cc someone, almost all our ccs are unprotected, very narrow or barely usable. Besides our 15 sec arrows. If u get a cc with musa and u can follow up u should (in my honest opinion) ALWAYS be able to kill - which we are not. It got mentioned often before, the reason we are unable to do so is because we dont have enough time for that. If we start with stub + dbite (stiff + stun) we didnt do any dmg, are already at 1.7 cc counter and are still in pre awak. So we have to cswap, get one fast filler in (usually crosscut) before we have to apply our last cc. And its almost the same if u start with an awak cc which realistically can only be projection (with core) or our shout (unprotected). If u start with those u have options for slightly longer combos. But if our bread and butter skills (proj, dash slash, btb, fiery crevice, crosscut backflow) dont kill the target in that short time window we are not only out of skills to use (which might not even be ready since we use them for sa trading and they have weird cooldown patterns) we can only resort to lackluster pre awak kit. (3rd Rabam does actually do decent dmg but unprotected, no cc). I think we really need accuracy buffs AND either cooldown changes OR a more usable knockdown in awak kit outside of crust crusher.

Can definitely agree to musa being weak and overshadowed by other classes.  Their damage is subpar in both pvp and pve and I've always thought to myself that it lacks skills with some power behind them.   Awakening has a few skills that are niche and cuts down the available kit for a lot of situations and the cooldowns do seem too long for not only the lack of damage, but also the length of the animations.   Stub arrow and Quick Shot animations could be sped up.

Something needs to be done about their speed.  Both warrior and ninja do almost exactly what musa does except with more damage and both have grabs.  I've been chased down by both classes and outran by both classes.  Add in a slow and just about any class can outrun us which effectively cuts the class off from any kind of meaningful gameplay and just adds into the frustration since speed is supposed to be our thing.

This is probably my favorite class, but with how things are in game I just can't play this class due to how frustrating it is trying to get over these obstacles the class has and it just severely brings my desire down to even play the game.  I've tried it multiple times and spent the most time with this class, but it's shortcomings are just too much to overlook when it makes for a terrible experience in the game.

they don't care

they want you to reroll so they don't buff mae/musa

quit bdo

I would love it if they add a condition. Much like sorc's black crystal x30 that gives her 3 more chances to iframes. When she's out of stamina, she uses x10 black crystal per iframe. Something like that would be cool. Also maybe tweak is succession a bit. It burns too much stamina. Maybe reduce dbite stamina a bit. 

Most of the vet musa already have between the 270 to 300 ap. Its very true that having accuracy over more AP works, but other classes just have better damage with same AP does make me wanna put Musa away for a bit. When it comes to most of his skills ties to his damage and stamina alone makes it unbearable for  most players that wants to stay with this class.

Lastly, I just want to point out for those that wants to try musa. Just try him  out, you will understand why he plays the way he does.

I do agree this class does need a boost. We will see what happens this year. I hope that he will get a buff in 2021.

Hi,

I'm pretty new to the game (couple of months of experience, still quite confused tho) but I managed to play multiple classes and get them to 56 and 58 for Musa.
And I saw this post and wanted to join in to share some of my feelings about the class. I read the whole thread, some part were confusing but very informative.

Musa has been my favorite class since I started playing, love the gameplay when playing it. But this post pretty much explained that weird feeling I'm having about Musa. I've been playing with a couple of friends, we're all pretty much around the same AP tho I feel extremely weak compare to them. (I'd say clunky aswel but just due to the skill cooldowns in general).
Note that, I don't play PvP (yet) so I can't talk for that kind of content.
They'd clear the same pack of mobs in seconds when on my end with the same amount of AP, I'll be struggling.
And to be fair, I'm obviously not an extremely good player but that weird feeling pushed me to read guides and tips about the class thinking I was just really bad at it. But even when I got better it never got rid of that feeling of weakness that Musa gives me when grinding.

I really hope they will rework it properly. I really enjoy it but I can't over the fact that it really does feel weak in high end content.
Sorry for the long text that might be confusing.
I tried to translate my feelings about the class as best as I could and English is not my native language.

Please rework this class ;-;

+1

musa is a good skirmish class if you outgear your opponent. Same gear you can't SA trade to save your life.

+2

musa has bad clearing speed at high gear zones. You do 20-30% less trash.

+3

musa crustcrusher gap makes it very unviable to use in pvp where it is not 1v1, and the opponent is already CC'ed,delays at the end of certain skills slow him down, slowing his entire combo.

+4

CC changes nerfed musa indirectly and caused him to lose out on his kit.

+5

Stamina changes forced all musas to play quite defensive.

+6

engages with a musa against any class with a grab is a waste of time.

I initially wrote this as an attempt to touch base with anyone who has the power to influence the directions some classes go through but I've narrowed it down since OP sums it up to a Tee.

"I've been playing the class since it launched and have stuck with it through thick and thin and I must say, while I am grateful for whatever PvE buff you guys decide to give it, it really needs some more attention in the PVP aspect of it. Right now where my grief lies is in the political and social side of what a Musa player deals with. The class is a joke to most players and is seen as a worse version of ninja or Hasashin and thus is less likely to find a group to play with. I love the class and I can't see myself playing any other class and though I've tried multiple times to try something else all roads for me seem to lead back to Musa. the problem lies in that I want to do node wars and I want to siege but I cannot do that because Musa players are undesirable with what the class brings to the table.
I truly hope Pearl Abyss improves the class of Musa before or during the release of the Hasoan region. Not just for the sake of making the class better in PVP but to kinda deal with the social stigma Musa players deal with in the BDO community. Thank you for your time."

The impact of high Stamina consumption on Chase cannot be overstated.