let me explain HP to you PA..

you have Technically made a class reated nerf system.

Test subject;

-Level 60, Health Lv.30

-Arsha II gear

(a) Zerk  - HP 6237

(b) Shai – HP 6315

(c) Lahn - HP 4850

Shai has:

+ 30% HP vs Lahn

+ 1% HP vs Zerk

Zerk has;

+ 28.5% vs Lahn

Now lets add the RBF buff of 1000HP

(a) Zerk  - HP 7237

(b) Shai – HP 7315

(c) Lahn - HP 5850

Shai has:

+ 25% HP vs Lahn

+ 1% HP vs Zerk

Zerk has;

+ 24% vs Lahn

Nerfed the HP pool benefits of these classes, Why?

Then we add the losing side buff

(a) Zerk  - HP 7737

(b) Shai – HP 7815

(c) Lahn - HP 6350

Shai has:

+ 23% HP vs Lahn

+ ~1% HP vs Zerk

Zerk has;

+ 21.5% vs Lahn

the losing side buff is it’s own thing.. it will encourage people not to try and win if they are after kills only, being on the losing side gives you an advantage.. That’s its own issue.

But the constant +1000hp is an issue as it effect class balance and benifits.

Constant HP buff is bad balancewise as it worth less the more HP you already have.

On the other hand what you missed is the role of those classes. It might affect a low HP player more, but at the end of the day even with the 1k hp buff a class like lahn will still be deleted in one combo, hence they don't gain anything, but on the otherhand on classes that are tanky (shai, zerker) and was hard to kill before now even more of a struggle to kill. And yeah shais can go up to 10k+ now, and it's AIDS, just like the zerkers are.

Ironically both of your examples are much stronger with the hp buff than the low hp classes which still geting deleted with 1k more hp.

Main point was to show it's a class effective buff /debuff, not equal.. not thought out. Devs have looked at a stat and given it numbers and not thought about othere related issues (e.g. People dying fast in RBF, ah more HP will fix that)

(classes i used in example just happend to be the 3 trials i had at the time)

Excluding if the Hp of classes is correct and balanced for the game... These are class characteristic, and they have been affected differently by the rbf changes. I don’t think this was intended or thought out. Devs saw bigger numbers and put them in. Or why not put in other changes that adjust other classes independently?

Stamina boost anyone?

MP regen/amount boost?

Each effects classes diffrently, some it will have zero effect on, some it will make OP. HP, Stam, MP are part of the same stat family.

Zerks a joke atm and feel sorry for the people that played that class and loved it before the reboots. It’s not respected anymore.

Shai get deleted just as fast as any other class (excluding DP meme), that extra hp mean very little, but you have ot understand PvP, Protection and mobility.

so no.. though its sounds cool to say 'Ironically both of your examples are much stronger w...' It's not what the reality is. Like i said, you need to understand PvP, protections and mobility. There is a reason why some classes have more hp than othere, and giving a fixed HP boost to all classes impacts them diffrently.

...but people like to say 'ironically ' to dismiss someone statement when there is no irony at all :) they have just misunderstood.

Addition;

Easiest example I can give you.

If you give a lower HP block class 1000 hp and a Shai 1000hp. To the Shai that 1000 is raw HP, to the block class, that 1000hp is coupled with its block and damage reduction.

Yeah, and the he get's grabed, and your block is irrelevant right away. Or just cc'd straight trough the FG as the shit engine can't handle player facing properly.

Also classes do have significantly different block gauge as they scale differently from the charater's max HP. My class's FG getting oneshoted by a single ability from certain "balanced" classes, literately, at 6.5k hp. Meanwhile real shield classes could tank multiple players even before the HP buffs...

Also if you not build full DP on shai, then you're trolling, so what you expect? A properly built shai can tanky decently at RBF rn and is AIDS to kill. It's okay since they don't do damage tho, so shai is actually can be considered balanced, unlike some of the classes which are tanky, yet do the same damage that classes with zero survivability do...

so you lernt  nothing in all our time together? wow! have havent listend or have forgot?

RE'Also if you not build full DP on shai, then you're trolling, so what you expect?'

I know exactly what to eexpect from shai, but hay, when an argument snot going you way, pull the shia card, or the 'you dont know what you ding on your class'... like you have any idea! nd then the downvotes come for any fight back i give, and the hope is my message gets burried (Thier not by the way)

very disapointing, I though you where better than that!

I suggest you visit my channle and learn abit, stop asuming what I may know, its in video form wating for you to look, or even placing clames on my inteitons (r.g. troll).

(video music contains the f-word, i have warnned you before you click, incase you are easly offended - i know, other people post clips without a warning and it all okay.. but ya know.. i have to many fans that wanna creat extra work for me)

Start here 'BDO: Shai PvP Guide – Introductory. EP.01, explore the RBF and pvp video too, see ep 2 and i think i go over when i was a 500pd shai and change over becuse..well go look if you wanna know.. you will see, i have recorded footage of what i know,explained what i know.

But you have a feeling of what you think (and it not even genuine) i know... 

You want to invent a narative to undermin my position. Well i have counter your claim on; 'Also if you not build full DP on shai, then you're trolling,' dont wanna accept that, dont wanna apologise, dont wanna be repectful when the forum troll have been so adiment that i behave nicer (and i'm do now, giving the mods a chance)?

I can't debate with someone who is not debating. You have motives and thats all you care about.

you no dont wanna look and learn, but make up lies and post them still?

It's all there for all to see? if they wanna see how wrong Cat is about me, how little they acutaly know, and they have had acess to such infor for ages, but we see they do not take it onboard... not intrested in such people prefer you kept away from my posts as you not gong to engage, you gong to try and start a fight. i wont do that (anymore)

Dosent really matter though :) there is you and the other reall trolls that make statment regarding shai and what it is, how to play it.. yet i make videio for the comunity of me acutual playing the game, shong what to do and maybe not do, have a torny winner on had for advice, im in BA and RBF as my main stay as i dont grind, PVPing on shai.. current second highest in EU RBF (i think upthere at least) for shai and climbing, and with trash offine nouver... 

But you know what is what? right? Go out there reseach and talk to players, before telling me i must be trolling. don't wann do any of that? and still post at me? then your are here to start a fight and not intrested in adult conversation, i will dont play that game with you. you want to provove me, i wont let you.

i like it coz zerkers dont get to jump and spin me to death, now they need to slap me one more time afterwards.

so you want the classes with the highest base HP to get more of a "tankiness buff for goup pvp" than other classes because... they already have more base HP? lmao

since the class with the highest HP is also the one with the highest dmg, mobility, healing, multihit CCs, best engagements and protections, I think lower hp classes should get more of a buff, just to try bringing the shitty balance in line a little bit.

your succ zerk already has 9k base hp? u get 20% of the difference from that to 10k, +200hp.

a gearlet sorc (garbage class) has 4k hp ? he gets 20% of the difference fro mthat to 10k, +1200hp.

there that's a slightly more fair "group pvp tankiness" buff, because since apparently having 4000hp is not playable in group pvp, the 9k hp succ zerk getting 1k more won't help low hp assassin classes.

by the way I didn't read your post, i just assumed what the % whine was about

RE; 'so you want the classes with the highest base HP to get more of a "tankiness buff for goup pvp" than other classes because... they already have more base HP? lmao'

Irrelevant if i want it or not. Not stating I do. But I would you think it fair that this has happened? Even though it’s a de-buff to a class characteristic? Oh, by your logic then; let re balance some of the other factors too? HP takes an indirect de-buff, let’s do it to stamina as well? MP/SP? Damage mods? (Was funny when shai had 100% damage to drak for a while) Sure there is a Ap buff, but all classes apart from shai have the same AP to start with, so no indirect impacts there.

If your resonating is;

Re; ‘since the class with the highest HP is also the one with the highest dmg, mobility, healing, multihit CCs, best engagements and protections, I think lower hp classes should get more of a buff, just to try bringing the shitty balance in line a little bit.’

Then this needs to be balance outside of RBF is there is an issue, right? Not just for one game mode...

...And LOL; re ‘….highest HP is also the one with the highest dmg, mobility, healing’ yeah that shai alright :P you play BDO right? Or you only see zerk, wich we know is currently broken, it will get fixed when PA has sold the costumes its needs to, same as happend with musa ,recently,PA are not as stupid as we think they are :) .. and you can not sporate these issues here, cun you?, Your upset about current broken zerk and that has clouded your logic, I see.