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Is PvP slowly dying on BDO? Why and what can we do?
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# 151
On: Jun 10, 2022, 04:34 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

PvP is more a state of mind than simply gear and more gear. your gonna die repeatedly its gonna sting and your going to have to understand that you have to practice but in no way does it take C20 to participate in NW or Pvp.

So me being one shot by someone double my GS an who I don't even do damage to isn't the result of how much of a joke the gearing system is an how big the gear gap between existing players an new playeris? No, It just mean I'm bad at the game? What this is just basic math, 2 is always greater than 1 that a fact you can't say "well just ignore the fact that he twice your GS an get gud". You can't ignore facts an live in delusions.

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 15:11 (UTC)
# 152
On: Jun 13, 2022, 13:24 (UTC), Written by Priato

So me being one shot by someone double my GS an who I don't even do damage to isn't the result of how much of a joke the gearing system is an how big the gear gap between existing players an new playeris? No, It just mean I'm bad at the game? What this is just basic math, 2 is always greater than 1 that a fact you can't say "well just ignore the fact that he twice your GS an get gud". You can't ignore facts an live in delusions.

It means that you occasionally encountered someone far more geared than you. Better luck next time! 

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 16:42 (UTC)
# 153
On: Jun 13, 2022, 15:11 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

It means that you occasionally encountered someone far more geared than you. Better luck next time! 

Mmmh, someone quoted me? Aaaaah, nothing interesting, just the same person still throwing a temper tandrum on the forums. 

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 17:26 (UTC)
# 154
On: Jun 10, 2022, 04:34 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas

But we are talking two totally different things, My conversation jump in is about entry level to PvP.
As Peace pointed out we have capped NW and Siege that doesnt take you years to get. Litterally within 1 single season(less than 60 days and most do it within 2-5 days) you can gain enough gear to do all T1, Calpheon and Mediah Siege.

Your point is going to be C20 and Pen FG?!?!? hell i dont even have full c20 currently after all this time i am c17 armor, C19 main hand and almost all Pen accessories with duo labreska and tri Fallen God<--- this is not top end and i have been competing in NW and PvP since i was 560GS.  PvP is more a state of mind than simply gear and more gear. your gonna die repeatedly its gonna sting and your going to have to understand that you have to practice but in no way does it take C20 to participate in NW or Pvp.

That's the problem, this themeparkish idea keeps spoiling this game, and as you mentioned nobody need C20 to participate in pvp and even owpvp.

But some stay stuck with the idea that you need to "finish" gearing before you get into pvp ; but BDO doesn't fit well with this idea and it becomes a frustration for these players. Their fault, though. 

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 19:24 (UTC)
# 155
On: Jun 13, 2022, 13:24 (UTC), Written by Priato

So me being one shot by someone double my GS an who I don't even do damage to isn't the result of how much of a joke the gearing system is an how big the gear gap between existing players an new playeris? No, It just mean I'm bad at the game? What this is just basic math, 2 is always greater than 1 that a fact you can't say "well just ignore the fact that he twice your GS an get gud". You can't ignore facts an live in delusions.

Wait, first you stated that the "grind wall is too large for new players to partake in PVP".  It was then presented to you numerous times that = T1's and capped siege (Mediah and Calpheon) can be participated in within less than 1 Season worth of play.  A few days, even, if the player knows what they're doing (like following a good guide, there are many Season guides online).  And now you're saying you're getting one shot by someone "double your GS?"....I mean, set aside the fact that if you met someone that was 720 GS, that would mean you're literally 360 GS (lul), you are clearly deflecting here.

Do gear gaps exist?  Yes.  Do they prevent new players /casuals from "partaking in PVP", like you said?  No.  Like ReconKangas said, these are two completely different things.

Capped NW and siege.  Arena of Solare.  Trail gear Battle Arena duels.  Trail gear in RBF, while not the best, can still win you games and net kills.  These can be played by a new player within an extremely short timeframe and extremely low effort, especially compared to a few years back.  Never been a better time for new / casual players in BDO, honestly, as stated by another user here.  Can you address that point?  That was your original complaint, before you went ona  rant about "muh gear gaps drrrrr".

I just hear a bunch of whining at this point.  Gear matters in MMORPG's.  In some, one reason you get gear to do high tier raids.  In BDO, one reason you get gear is for high tier PVP.  But, the nice thing about BDO, is how many avenues for PVP participation is available for players within their first month -- hell, even first week, of starting the game. 

Would you complain in Guild Wars forum that you can't do the Wing 7 raid with one week of play?  Because that's how unreasonable you're sounding right now, honestly. 

Complaining about getting gear checked in open world?  Well, good thing Karma exists to dissuade PVP.  Good thing you can server swap with zero cooldown if your guild assigned channels.  Good thing server swap CD is now reduced to 10 mins.  Good thing you're guaranteed one hour of grind in any grind spot's best rotation every day.  Good thing there are numerous ways to avoid the already extremely rare occurance nowadays that some random will gear check you in open world.

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 23:54 (UTC)
# 156
On: Jun 13, 2022, 18:56 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

Do gear gaps exist?  Yes.  Do they prevent new players /casuals from "partaking in PVP", like you said?  No. 

So you admit the gear gap exist, but fail to admit having over double some else's GS = you win the fight 100% of the time. How does a new player with 550 GS win a fight against someone with 670 GS? The answer simple they don't. The result new players quit, because  why is losing 100% of the time due to a factor you can't control fun?

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 21:07 (UTC)
# 157
On: Jun 13, 2022, 20:28 (UTC), Written by Priato

So you admit the gear gap exist, but fail to admit having over double some else's GS = you winthe fight 100% of the time. How does a new player with 550 GS win a fight against someone with 670 GS? The answer simple they don't. The result new players quit, because  why is losing 100% of the time due to a factor you can't control fun?

The question is, is there a reason for a 550 GS to meet a 670 GS on a regular basis? 

New player don't quit simply because they meet a highly geared player, they expect it to happen from time to time on BDO. I mean, you don't go on a game without knowing the bare minimum about it, and it's pretty easy to avoid going on the most contested spots. 

("Repetitive") 

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 21:11 (UTC)
# 158
On: Jun 13, 2022, 21:07 (UTC), Written by Sadalsuud

The question is, is there a reason for a 550 GS to meet a 670 GS on a regular basis? 

New player don't quit simply because they meet a highly geared player, they expect it to happen from time to time on BDO. I mean, you don't go on a game without knowing the bare minimum about it, and it's pretty easy to avoid going on the most contested spots. 

("Repetitive") 

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Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 21:41 (UTC)
# 159
On: Jun 13, 2022, 21:11 (UTC), Written by CatDK

Sulfur

Everyone knows you need 800 GS to grind there, lol. Those new 550 GS players should just stick to gathering trees.

Last Edit : Jun 13, 2022, 22:20 (UTC)
# 160
On: Jun 13, 2022, 20:28 (UTC), Written by Priato

So you admit the gear gap exist, but fail to admit having over double some else's GS = you winthe fight 100% of the time. How does a new player with 550 GS win a fight against someone with 670 GS? The answer simple they don't. The result new players quit, because  why is losing 100% of the time due to a factor you can't control fun?

I didn't fail to admit that...I simply chose not to write in a "doom and gloom" way.  I stated numerous ways players are able to avoid these "doom and gloom" situations you complain about, all of these implemented by the game itself.  When met with a player whose gear is insurmountable, you avoid them by swapping channel or swapping rotations, and new players have the heavy benefit of the Karma System protecting them from reckless flaggers.  Now, before you point out Bandit Players or dec'd guilds:

Bandit / red players -- They assume the risk of being red, assuming all consequences of it.  This includes being attacked by guards in towns, encumbering their care-free use of amenities we take for granted like church buff access, even simple repairs from blacksmith.  They need to do so really fast else be attacked by guards or even attacked by another player in the town.  Possible item degradation (imagine dropping PEN BS to TET while red), and loss of expensive crystals.  On top of being able to be freely attacked by anyone in the Open World, even in safe zones.

Dec'd guilds -- If a player is met by a warring guild member who they cannot defeat on their own, they can enlist the aid of fellow guild members.  This gives way for Open World GvG fights, IMO, one of BDO's best content.  Classes are the most balanced in GvG scenarios -- classical "large scale" classes like Caster and Succ Ranger, classical "1v1" classes like Awakening Sage and Tamer, all can fight in medium scale GvG.  I've seen every single class able to hold their own, contribute, and in some cases, dominate in GvG.  Every.  Single.  Class.

It's clear to me that no one will convince you of what you're already clearly biased about.  Evidenced by your deflection to "muhhh gear gap" while neglecting all the ways, and there are many, to avoid this from happening, either yourself or because of the Karma System.  Marni's Realm even guarantees one hour of uninterrupted grind anywhere per day!  I think it's safe to assume your argument that "the grind wall is too much for average players to partake in PVP" is debunked.  Especially with capped wars existing, trail characters buffed, and Arena of Solare being relatively well received. 

If your new argument is "overgeared players exist and will stomp undergeared" -- no kidding -- we play an MMORPG.  Gear matters >> But BDO has many ways that prevent this from happening and many ways to avoid these situations, like Home Channels and the Karma System being harsh enough to dissuade reckless flagging.  You honestly just sound like you don't like competition, don't have what it takes to play this game, can't find it in you to grind, can't take a loss to fight another day, and IDK man, just entitled, maybe?  Whatever.  Dime a dozen, bro, dime a dozen.  Go play another MMO while BDO continues to be friendlier to new / casual players every year and miss out, you won't be missed.

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