No your just trying to find strawman excuses to dismiss my post because you don't want to be open to any other thinking than your own. An I didn't quote all your post because like peace it just full of false assumptions that your trying to label me with to derail and dismiss the point I'm making. I'm not going to quote your BS assumptions about me an have discussion about how you think I think.

 BDO is slow progression game, and its made for ppl who like slow progression. Its normal for people who like to have top gear and max level in one week to leave. There are other games for that kind of people. BDO is not for them. And thats ok. Diferent games exist for diferent people.

 Gear gap exist, the same way that exist in every other MMOs. Complaining about that is not very clever. I mean thats why there is progression. And yet some people described that you have Pvp enable for new players, but some people are here just to whine. If Devs made every pvp in game with equalised gear, they gona whine about classes, if they made game with only one class they gona whine about internet speed and so on. Thats the nature of some people.

PvP is not dead. There are NWs on diferent tiers, there is RBF always on, now there is AoS that is great, there are constant PvP for spot(and if you have two brain cells you gona go to spot for your gear or atleast avoid spots with high gear people).

PvP is way more alive than PvE in this game. And way more MMO than mostly single player PvE.

But people have to whine all the time....

I'll just pretend I never read that and go back to what I've wanted to point out and obviously you didn't want to process for... Reasons.

So what I was trying to tell you is that, if one likes the game and wants to play the player sooner or later might see challenges in the game of any nature. It's just not possible to avoid in any game you name it, not just BDO. What I was trying to do is that a new player that wants to play the game and likes it(wants to dedicate his time to it), but finds struggles for various reasons(I even include, what you've said here earlier, before our pointless banter) he or she will find any ways possible to keep going forward. "You don't climb a ladder by stopping on it at one place". Yes. The game has it's drawbacks, I don't deny it, but it also has it's own good sides. I also didn't deny it's possible to find another player with far superior gear than mine. But I already know, how not to make such encounters. If I had nearly(I repeat: NEARLY equal like 550 against 610) equal gs, I'd try my own chances and skills against the other player. But that's another story.

But if a player just wants to try out the game temporary or is simply looking for something to his/her own tastes that's a different story and what you've described can apply here partially. Ofcourse, BDO isn't for everyone.

Let's see, with whom am I speaking with.

This "sarcasm" comes off as whiney and complainy, to a point of blantant mischaracterization.  Like saying, "I failed PEN a MILLION times!"  when in reality, only 10 attempts were made.  Some sarcasm there buddy.

Your talking points were completely debunked, so you need to resort to lies (downplayed as "sarcasm"), personal attacks, and fail to address any talking points addressed to you.  You are now grasping for straws.  I notice some hypocrisy as well.  You talk of "derailing", "don't know what's being discussed", while showcasing complete dismissal of another user (Sadalsuud) by spamming the same line to him.

If I must show the entire community once more, here's how your first argument was destroyed before you dismissed and deflected:

Argument 1:  "The grind wall is too large for players to 'partake' in PvP"

- Capped wars.  These are organized PvP, one of the high poins of BDO PvP.  They offer all players, new, old, casual, a way to enjoy Node Wars and Siege with a very low barrier of entry.  Season-server graduates can participate in T1 NW's and Calpheon and Median Siege.  (Siege being massive scale wars over castles with various vantage points, points of attack, and strategy.  Strategy, teamwork, and team composition are the most important factors here.)

- Arena of Solare.  New equalized gear arena.  Relatively well-received and is in it's early stages, so I expect it to get better.

- Trail characters.  Equalized duels in Battle Arena, great for practicing PvP.  These can be taken in RBF, while not the best, is enough to net some kills and win matches with.

Deflection:  "600 GS cannot win against 700 GS"

This is true, unless the 700 is that much of a potato.  However, in what situations will this happen where the 600 GS will have zero recourse? There are numerous ways to avoid this relatively rare situation.

- So many grind spots are viable nowadays, from Valencia, Kamasylvia, Dreighan, to Elvia. 

- New players are grinding low spots and vets are in end-game spots.

- The only reason high GS will grind low spots are for Treasure Items.

- Server swap CD reduced to 10 mins.  Home Channels allow server swapping with zero cooldown.

- Karma System is harsh enough to dissuade reckless flagging, players are only flagged upon when being a nuissance, but players hardly flag because it punishes those who do so, for whatever reason they have.

- Marni's Realm guarantee's one hour of uninterrupted grind in the best grind spots' best rotation.

- New players will be playing on Season Servers - 100% PvE only servers.

- Dec'd guild?  Call your guild and enlist the aid of guildies.  This is how GvG's are born and are some of BDO's best PvP content, if you're into it.

- Lifeskiller?  Lifeskill on level 49 and you can't be attacked.

- Meet a bully?  If they're violating ToS, report them.  Otherwise, call your guild for help, swap server, swap rotations, or go to any one of "the gazllion" (sarcasm hehe) grind spots now available.

I get that BDO isn't like WoW or other games with full-on PvE channels.  IMO, that's one thing that makes this game great because it makes the game unique.  The thrill of possible PvP in open world keeps grind sessions fresh and exciting.  I get it, you're probably afraid of confrontation, or losing.  Like, maybe it hurts your ego too much when you get faceplanted out there.  Open world can be a scary place for some people.  But there are numerous ways to avoid it from happening, plus, it's already rare unless you're being a nuissance to others.  Marni's Realm was a great addition and the game continually gets better for new and casual players who aren't at end-game gear.  Centaurs 400 mil per hour?  Mirumok, 600 mil per hour?  Arena of Solare?  Capped Siege, of all things?  Siege used to be designated as the "premiere" PvP content that players grinded for end-game, but now Season grads can do it.  C'mon.  It's never been better for low geared, early - mid game players!  BDO is not like other MMO's, and that's a good thing, but it keeps getting better on every point you complain about.

Someone better call the police, you all just witnessed Pirato get utterly destroyed.  I'll await a counter-argument from you, but I, honestly, don't expect one.  D-E-S-T-R-O-Y-E-D :)

Sure it does. Mean while your still just making assumptions, deflecting, derailing, and completely refusing to acknowledge what being discussed because you can't accept that the game own gearing issue is the reason the PVP scene is dying in this game. RBF are ghost towns compared to what they use to be, NW use to have 10+ guilds per node now a heavily contested node would be lucky if 4 guilds place on it, an established guilds need to organize just so they can get fights in NW with each other so they don't end up placing on a node were there isn't anyone to fight. An this is all due to an ever increasing demand for a higher a GS resulting in less accessability for returning an new players to enter the fight let alone actual be in the fight.

But talking to you is pointless you'll just keep making BS assumptions, derailing, and staying in denial, all the while wondering why the demand for PVP content decreases an the demand for more PVE content increases. But hey ever think the reason PA added the new even GS arena is because they realize this? No I don't think you can well it a good thing your not a developer cause I'd hate to play the game you invision.

^ Criticizes Kras for making assumptions, deflecting, derailing, refusing to acknowledge what's being discussed, then proceeds to make assumptions, deflect, derail, and refuse to acknowledge what's being discussed.

- NA RBF always has filled RBF channels, even off-hours.  Peak hours, you'll often see 2 or more full channels.  AoS was just introduced, queue times in NA are less than 30 seconds of waiting, many times, instant queues.

- 10 guilds over one node?  Source?  Is this another attempt at sarcasm?  1v1 from the start are the best, anyway, you don't have guilds teaming up to bully out lower guilds so they can 1v1 each other.  Multiple guild node placements still exist, though.

- Every node has a guild that owns it.  Are these all from "organized fights"?  I did a NW with my guild last Sunday.  Super fun.

- Telling Kras he's making BS assumptions, derailing, and in denial and saying demand for PvP decrease and PvE increase -- Uhhh this post is literally about PvP, asking if it's dying.  BDO has changed a lot over the years, so PvP is not the same...many hardcore PvPers left because the game does cater a lot to casuals and newbies.   But PvP is still alive and well --

- I was in a massive, massive Open World GVG with my previous guild.  My current guild is constantly at war as well.  Node Wars are unscripted and really fun.  AoS instant queues.  NA RBF, 24/7 there are macthes going on to join.  IDK what's really gotten you so upset about this game...it's a game, dude.  Don't like it?  Then go to another game.  Post some positive things there and be happy.