I don't think so. What you have going here(this thread) is much closer to trolling than any of CatDK's responses. You have no right to ask for any changes before you have understanding of how other classes work. I really doubt you have that. What's more the suggested "changes" would affect not only PvP performance but PvE too. Which is a very narrow minded approach even if a problem exist. As suggested by not only one person - instead of wasting your time crying on the forum learn your class and all other classes too. Work on spotting openings, timing your skills and positioning. You might also  consider upgrading your gear too. Not everyone can have the reflexes and the sharp mind/ quick decision making needed. That's where better gear would help a bit. Watch "tuvala cup" on twitch. Warrior ain't as helpless as you make it look and the classes in question aren't so op. It's mostly down to player skill. Gotta go back to work, might edit this later.

op is right, those classes do need a balancing touch downwards.

I don't even feel like replying to this simple minded reply, but I will.

You have no right to ask for any changes before you have understanding of how other classes work. I really doubt you have that.

Baseless accusation, you have no idea what information I know within the game about the classes I mentioned. I've played them all, and I understand exactly what makes them as strong as they are now. Most of these reasons are exactly the same, and many of these reasons have been the primary nerfs of other classes within the game for years now. As an example:
Having both overbearing damage, as well as extremely illusive (mostly non-visible) mobility and iframes is damaging for the game, Especially with how damage currently works in the game. Being over 400+ DP yet still dying standing up vs these three classes is horrendous for anyones gameplay.  Same with how sage got nerfed for the same reason, same with musa, same with maewha originally, and every other class that had the advantage of illusive mobility + high bursting chip damage.  If you think a class should be able to freely iframe spam while also weaving chunking chip damage between each iframe (most of this damage being protected as well.) is good for the game then you're either lying to yourself because you play the class yourself, or you just don't PvP high end at all. 


What's more the suggested "changes" would affect not only PvP performance but PvE too. Which is a very narrow minded approach even if a problem exist.

Take a look at nearly every other class nerf, it always has some noticeable affect on PvE when it comes to losing protections or burst damage. Should it be this way? no. PA should seperate the two, but they never have and likely never will. So by your logic, Sage, succ mage, lahns, and every other classthat's ever received a damage or protection nerf should've never been nerfed in these ways due to it having a (most of the time) extremely minor affect to PvE? Sound logic to me!

Work on spotting openings, timing your skills and positioning. You might also  consider upgrading your gear too. Not everyone can have the reflexes and the sharp mind/ quick decision making needed. That's where better gear would help a bit. Watch "tuvala cup" on twitch. Warrior ain't as helpless as you make it look and the classes in question aren't so op. It's mostly down to player skill. Gotta go back to work, might edit this later.

Another baseless accusation that because I (as well as 99% of people in the game.) believe that these three classes are overtuned, it automatically means it's a skill issue.  Sounds logical to me.  So what do you say to the self proclaimed best PvP'ers in the game agreeing that these 3 classes are without a doubt in the top 5 in every form of PvP?  I suggest you do some research within the community. You will very rarily find someone who doesn't agree these 3 classes are overtuned.

Warrior ain't as helpless as you make it look and the classes in question aren't so op. It's mostly down to player skill. Gotta go back to work, might edit this later.

Never said warrior was helpless? where are you even pulling this from.

Big talk on BDO forums.  lets set up a first to 10 in BA then?

It's one or the other. Lessen her damage so she can't completely faceroll 90% of their matchups without landing a single cc, Or nerf their protection and mobility spam so they're easier to catch.  The reason you don't see any of the classes that received iframe nerfs is because PA DIDN'T nerf one of the other, they nerfed BOTH

I don't PvP at all, not yet. I just don't have the time. I can barely lifeskill. I do have goals and I'm working on achieving them. I've just recently started working on my combat gear. The class I've played the most is succ kuno and I'm by no means very good at it. I’ve never made class balance claims or suggestions because I don’t feel like it’s my place making such given my knowledge and understanding of the subject.

With that bit out of the way - I have been a top tier PvPer. I know what it takes to get there and it's definitely not crying on forums. I am still not convinced you have an understanding of how the classes in question work. I'm not even sure you can understand my previous response.

If you can, go back and read without any bias, your thread and responses.  I will leave you with one quote from your text, there’s many more… 

"Take a look at nearly every other class nerf, it always has some noticeable affect on PvE when it comes to losing protections or burst damage. Should it be this way? no. PA should seperate the two, but they never have and likely never will. So by your logic, Sage, succ mage, lahns, and every other classthat's ever received a damage or protection nerf should've never been nerfed in these ways due to it having a (most of the time) extremely minor affect to PvE? Sound logic to me!"   - ?!

Which one is it? There are far more inconsistencies than I care to point out. I am not even going to get into your condescending portrayal of the three’s gameplay. 

Mind you, if you haven't understood yet, I’m not arguing class balance issues. I’m arguing you don't have the expertise to do so either and suggesting that learning and practising will do you more good than writing walls of text on the forum. You don't bring anything of substance to the table. Are you the voice/speaker of the community? Choice's rankings is your proof? The classes in question are top 3 right now, so let's nurf them, "violently". Great stuff! There will always be top 3 in the tier list! Shocker, right! Let's nerf the top 3 every week?! A lot of games have been brought to the floor by companies catering to crying people. 

 Feel free to dismiss this response as “simple minded” too.

i have no horse in this race and quite honestly think his arguments are shit but ur response is cringe at worst and self defeating at best lmao

ignore op's pvp skill for now(which ive already questioned in a prior thread) ure simultaneously admitting that you dont pvp and also that you also don't have in depth knowledge of any other classes which you are accusing him of, while also insinuating that you dont even pve considering that you barely have time for lifeskill. 

u being top tier pvper means jack shit. you say that without expanding on it only makes it seem like a throwaway to make u seem credible when you can probably be "top tier pvp" in a completely unrelated genre of game altogether, imagine top tier pvp at tetris lmao

your argument with that point also dont stand. if a class is op then its op, no ifs or buts about it. if you use the same argument against succ zerker, prenerf succ and awaken sage, and prenerf succ mage complaints u would be laughed out the circus 

tldr u label him as unqualified when you're basically saying yourself that you are unqualified to even judge him, while giving an argument that just don't make sense

@asdsadfas - right. Very entertaining. One more that fails to follow. I'll just stop. My goal is not to be a forum warrior. Waste of time.

doing a poor job of trying to keep your goal tbh with trying to convince others of something that you've basically stated you don't have a single clue about

failing to follow whatever you're trying to spin here is a good thing here btw, considering you just mumbled some generate "player skill issue" copy pasta as if this game was ever balanced even remotely right for whatever you're trying to say to matter whatsoever and then literally say you have no idea what you're talking about lol

top tier pvper lmao maybe top tier deflecting

OP did a poor job trying to explain why he thinks the classes should be nerfed but god damn you self destructed

What even is this reply from you?

a change can be minor yet still noticeable.  How is that a contradiction? 

You said you can point out more contradictions, do so. 

Not only that, but you're unironically stating you know nothing about PvP and the classes mentioned while also saying you believe I don't either. How does that even make sense? where are you basing your claims if you yourself don't know what the classes can or cannot do AND you don't PvP at all...? Why even comment on a post based upon three classes overperforming in PvP when you have no stake or experience to base an opinion from in the first place?   

Dont forget musa and zerk. Fundamentally there is a disparity in gaps. Many classes are gapless, hard to catch, and easy to execute. Protected CCs. These reworks and new classes dont need to know a match up, they dont have to play smart, they dont even take time to learn. Players pick them up and start winning. Bring back gaps PA. If you fight classes like musa, dk, and zerk the mobility is over tuned, damage is over turned and they are protected. Only possible way to kill them is to actually slow them or be beyond gear and shot them.