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Tuvala gear once again demonstrates why I enhance *nothing* (real)
Jun 6, 2022, 23:26 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jun 12, 2022, 05:12 (UTC)
# 11
On: Jun 6, 2022, 23:26 (UTC), Written by Calpheonian

I've been working off and on for the past month on my little Lahn, and am closing in on the end of the grind. She's 60, almost done with the season pass, and 10/13 pen.

However, over the past 3 days I have tried repeatedly to enhance the Tuvala neck past TET with absolutely no joy. I have a stack of over 100 - so, roughly an 85 percent chance to succeed from tet to pen - and have failed to hit it on five consecutive necklaces. And yes, I a) know there are people who enhance the accessories without any failstacks at all (bless their resilient hearts); and I b) know there are far, FAR more arduous, uphill enhancements in BDO than some stupid Tuvala gear.

Let's stop for a second though. While some of you might argue that a) and b) defeat my argument, I'd rather contend that they make my case thoroughly: this is freaking dumb. An 85 percent chance to succeed on what amounts to worthless, unsellable pity loot with a massively-boosted base enhancement chance, and I still fail five times in a row? Sure, RNG is RNG, but at a macro level... nothing about this is fun. I'm not having a good time with the system: even when I have succeeded over the years, I don't feel joy - just relief that I haven't been brutalized again.

And before someone says it, I'm not raging. I haven't uninstalled or deleted my characters or done some other rash thing. I'll still log in tomorrow, grind out more stupid ore, get another neck to IV, and - the divine willing - hit pen.

But I won't look back on the experience fondly - I won't be nodding to myself knowingly about sticktoitiveness or personal resolve. No, rather, I will quietly pocket the necklace and return to selling every single caphras stone, black stone, black shard, memory fragment, etc., etc., until they close the servers down.

Because enhancement is terrible. And I'd rather pay out the nose for a sure thing than make this temporary frustration a major part of my Black Desert experience. Let someone else roll those dice. I'll buy what they build.

Technically everything in this game is 50% chance. It's 50/50. Either you get it or you don't just gotta keep trying. 

Last Edit : Jun 12, 2022, 06:28 (UTC)
# 12

If everything were 50%, then half the players would get successes on the first try.  It's not 50%.  If it were 60%, then failing 10 times would only happen about once in a 1000 times.  we all know that's not happening

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Last Edit : Jun 17, 2022, 10:31 (UTC)
# 14
On: Jun 17, 2022, 09:38 (UTC), Written by Muncha

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All rng % enchanting it's s. unfair lottery. Especially with such a small chance of success.

Eg. 3%. Let's imagine it that we have 100 coupons in a hat. Three of them win. You can win a million dollars and a ticket costs you 1000 dollars. But be careful. If you lose, you have to pay 10 000 dollars (item lvl degradation) or even 100 000 dollars (acc disappearance).

Will you take a risk? I doubt it. In a typical lottery, you can win a million and buy a ticket for 1 dollar. You lose it you lose, nothing happens, you only lost that 1 dollar. 

The entire enchantment should work just like items from Jetina. Progressively but with a 100% guarantee. If it doesn't, it doesn't make sense to play.

Last Edit : Jun 17, 2022, 15:37 (UTC)
# 15

What baffles me most is that during tuvala season, I get everything up no problemo, as it suppose to be. But that 1 last item, whatever it is, you can go 5 times with 70% success and fail, continously, forever.

In past 3 seasons, I always had 1 item I was unable to pen, I could go 30 tries, not even get to tri. I think success% is just visuals and we are beeing screwed into buying them crons and extras.

Last Edit : Jun 18, 2022, 15:40 (UTC)
# 16

You fail at high %s because y'all overstacking by a lot for no reason. The game is just trying to protect you from yourselves 🤣. Have some strategy, enhancing ain't gambling for the most part. You perceive and treat it like gambling ... and loose. Don't go that rabbit hole. Ether have a strategy or don't do it at all. Buy your gear, tuvala ain't worth the headache.

The true gamble is the fairy!!! 

Last Edit : Jun 21, 2022, 00:47 (UTC)
# 17

Bdo enhancement system is the worst every created I think. If you want to insist on using an rng lotto enhancement system at the least have the decency to do it like lost ark which has reasonable protection from terrible rng to the point of always reaching a 100% success rate after enough fails. This system is total cancer not remotely enough worse case protection.

Last Edit : Jun 21, 2022, 16:20 (UTC)
# 18
On: Jun 8, 2022, 03:46 (UTC), Written by TastyTacos

This the real problem people are ignorant how to build failstacks when stop tapping on a stack and to switch to a different stack.

i fucking love enhancing and building big stacks. But if you don't do it smartly you will run out of materials and potential be worse than when you started.

not me of course as I'm not stupid lol and enhance smartly

Thinking of new players, though, they're ignorant because the tutorial completely omits anything on failstacking and enhancing beyond 'put a beginner blackstone in and tap'.

You also have to put yourself in the shoes of a new player who doesn't necessarily have everything needed to failstack efficiently beyond access to reblath. To really failstack efficiently you need tens of billions worth of items (at least), a raft of alts, and naders slots to store stacks, none of which a new player will have. In fact, on a new account, you will have one character slot and, until you do the nader quest, no way of transferring your current failstack. When you do get naders, that's still only 2 slots to swap stacks between.

It is very easy to say people aren't doing it right, but having just helped a new player from scratch to pen tuvala in about 2 weeks (whereas I can get full pen tuvala day 1 on season on my own account), there are a lot of barriers you forget about once you've grown your account to a state they no longer exist.  What, for example, do you do if you find yourself with 2 51+ stacks, no tet gear, and have no way to transfer them (other than take out your credit card). If I hadn't been there to advise exactly on how to move stacks around, enhance in a sequence to prevent being stuck with high stacks, and the best stacks for each enhance, etc., etc., it would have taken far longer since there's zero in-game guidance on it. Watching streamers hardcore enhance is of little value if you don't have access to the same tools they do, and a lot of resources are dangerously dated, or inaccurate.

It's another symptom of the failstacking thing having been originally intended as a partially-hidden system that was just meant to help prevent people getting really screwed on enhances. Instead, given the competitive nature of players and the market, it's a system you need Excel and a reasonably degree of probability math to succeed with, particularly given the chance for negative reinforcement (i.e. you can do a mathematically dumb enhance and get a pen blackstar - the observation a certain strategy appears to make money short or even medium-term does not guarantee it's a good strategy. Nor does a strategy losing billions short term necessarily make it a bad one).

Just like every lifeskill, it deserves it's own tutorial chain that covers things like efficiently building stacks, softcaps, hardcaps, and the value of stacks, even if it's jarring to the game lore, since if there's one thing you see turning new players off to the game it's the enhancing. And I'd really like to see Naders given 4 slots by default for new players, even it's a temporary 3-4 week boost.

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Last Edit : Jun 22, 2022, 10:41 (UTC)
# 20
On: Jun 6, 2022, 23:26 (UTC), Written by Calpheonian

I've been working off and on for the past month on my little Lahn, and am closing in on the end of the grind. She's 60, almost done with the season pass, and 10/13 pen.

However, over the past 3 days I have tried repeatedly to enhance the Tuvala neck past TET with absolutely no joy. I have a stack of over 100 - so, roughly an 85 percent chance to succeed from tet to pen - and have failed to hit it on five consecutive necklaces. And yes, I a) know there are people who enhance the accessories without any failstacks at all (bless their resilient hearts); and I b) know there are far, FAR more arduous, uphill enhancements in BDO than some stupid Tuvala gear.

Let's stop for a second though. While some of you might argue that a) and b) defeat my argument, I'd rather contend that they make my case thoroughly: this is freaking dumb. An 85 percent chance to succeed on what amounts to worthless, unsellable pity loot with a massively-boosted base enhancement chance, and I still fail five times in a row? Sure, RNG is RNG, but at a macro level... nothing about this is fun. I'm not having a good time with the system: even when I have succeeded over the years, I don't feel joy - just relief that I haven't been brutalized again.

And before someone says it, I'm not raging. I haven't uninstalled or deleted my characters or done some other rash thing. I'll still log in tomorrow, grind out more stupid ore, get another neck to IV, and - the divine willing - hit pen.

But I won't look back on the experience fondly - I won't be nodding to myself knowingly about sticktoitiveness or personal resolve. No, rather, I will quietly pocket the necklace and return to selling every single caphras stone, black stone, black shard, memory fragment, etc., etc., until they close the servers down.

Because enhancement is terrible. And I'd rather pay out the nose for a sure thing than make this temporary frustration a major part of my Black Desert experience. Let someone else roll those dice. I'll buy what they build.

Season is bad unless u got a hard mass farmer like ranger. Even then accessories haha. You should be glad u failed on that. It really is brute force but a good system and being carried helps. Now that u can use black stones enhance is a straight shot. U can use big stax but I would not start in triple digits. I would not cron or hi stack Tuvala esp w prices now. 7-12b for reg pens. Accessories are tough w disto going upupup. Once u get real pens (and I only have two lawl) u can start caphing. Dutifully get ur season accessory then put it on main ahaha.

but as for reg enhancing I'm gud. Shoot I mite take requests. Base---->

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