keep in mind that all these XXAP and XX DP requirements are BEFORE artifacts and everything else. So depending on your artifact setup and your buffs crystals cups etc. those spots get more viable as your clear ratio comes into play and can be done way earlier.

Also theyll introduce new ways to aquire Lightstones too, so getting good setups will be a lot easier too.

With all the additional damage they allow players to get nowadays, you can grind these spots way earlier than their designated "APDP" 

Look at ash, crypt, now trolls, those spots were all way before these requirements were "easy" to achieve. 300AP is nothing nowadays if you look back at when ash was implemented. Its just that most people tend to stop going for more ap at around 29X and wont push for more ap.

Also the way they push blackstar weapons to be more achievable i think fallen god weapons are not so far into the future now.

At the end of the day, all i wanted to say is why complain about content for endgame players, when theres plenty of content to make a load of silver after they adjusted early/midgame Spots to be a lot more viable then before to fan out the playerbase.

So far Calph Elvia seems okay in my eyes, specially if the vell upgrade is a droppable item for the price it fetches on market.

It's the Elvia version of Calpheon that has this.

Yep, spot on.

What the other person's complaint is: "Vets won't be grinding there (Quint Hill) anyway.  They will be at lower spots pushing people out because they'll get better loot."

My rebuttal was: "Hexe is KR's most popular spot among vets, anecdotal evidence provided by Anders.  Hexe has high requirements as well, recommended is 300 / 390.  So everyone grinding there will be in the upper reaches of the gear spectrum.  Saunils and Rhutums are the lower spots that won't net as much drops as Hexe or Quint Hill.  If they did, then Hexe wouldn't be the most popular spot for vets.  Loot will be slower at the lower Elvia zones compared to Hexe, less loot.  Lower than Quint Hill as well, according to Anders, who estimated trash loot per hour being around 120m at Saunil and 170m at Quint."

Crypt of resting thoughts is stupid though. The evasion on the mobs.

Do the trolls have stupid evasion numbers too?

Not that it matters. They overbuffed centaurs to hell and beyond and everyone is wanting a piece of it.

high GS spots don't *really* require high GS.  
  
You can go to places like Ash Forest way way before 300 AP and 400 DP, especially now that it is more common for you to have blackstar / fallen god & artifacts to help boost stats, plus all the class reworks that've continually buffed most classes beyond their earlier capabilities. Also, not grinding a place so-called "optimally" doesn't mean you aren't allowed to go there at all. I know a lot of people with like 281 AP and 360 DP when they went out and got their TET Deboreka necklaces.  The numbers differ a little, but the same general concept applies to Quint & Hexe, too. The numbers on the map aren't actually real limits, you can do stuff anyway...
  
  
Also, you can 2-man harder spots if you want. Loot isn't optimal but it's not awful. When Serendia Elvia first came out, 2-manning Orcs gave my guildmates at the time more income than they got soloing it. Maybe the gearlets of today could try that at Trolls, why not? Be adventurous, go see if it works. 

If this spot had a very rare chance to drop an item that TET>PEN's your Godyr weapon, it would be worth it. Otherwise just go hex marie or lower AP spots.

We need spots that do this actually in the game. Nothing wrong with a jackpot item that closes that gap people having issues with. Especially with accessories. Crypt/Ash/Hex/Quint/Olun's could def use some enticement items that TET>PEN's accessories/other items. Would bring a demand to go to those more challenging spots. Especially the "group" ones.

I recieved sage advice once.

"Just don't get hit"

Seems reasonable enough lol

The reason other endgame spots are mostly empty is because theyre not profitable. Both Ash forest and Crypt are less silver/hr than spots requiring 50 or more lower GS. So there is no point for endgame players to go and grind there, since they risk their crystals dying to mobs for no additional return.

However, trolls is, according to the experience of people going to grind there, actually a profitable spot compared to its requirements for a change. Which means that endgame players will actually have a reason to go grind there to get their 1b/hr silver.

The premise of this complaint is a bit weird to me though. We have players complaining that endgame players are in their spots, and should go somewhere else, but then players also complain when spots get added that endgame players can go to? I understand wanting to be able to try out every spot, but like about every MMO, sometimes you have to put in the work to get to the higher zones. Getting there is easier than it has ever been too, with the availability of items on the MP and the higher income / hr due to spot revamps. So good luck on your grind, may the spoils be plentyful. We may see each other at trolls one day :) (Though currently you can find me at hexe, these trolls are too scary for my gear yet)