Exactly just because a game's a sandbox doesn't mean it gives the player freedom to play the game how they want. Also I'm not disagree with you I feel like you think I was by the way you worded you post.

This why I'm crital of people actually reading and understand a persons whole post before replying cause easy to just read one sentance and take something out of context like many users seem to do on these forums.

Come again when you are massively failing PEN?

Back when I still played WoW and seeing my best friend play it now with his friends, most of what he does is solo. Gathering mats? Solo. Running 10 year old Raids for the Xth time to get a reskin of a mount? Solo. PvP? Let's be honest, besides Arena, you just sit in a cluster of people randomly derping around.

Is there more group content in WoW/ESO etc? Of course, but that group content is as shallow as our grind here is. No matter when I queue in WoW or ESO, there is 0 interaction with people, we all just rush through the dungeons, kill everything, say "ty for run" and leave. Wow. Maybe 1 out 100 runs, there is a meaningful connection with others, but the same can be said about BDO.

The core gameplay loop of BDO is very much like playing an ARPG ( Grim Dawn, Diablo ) - go to a "Map", kill endless monsters, hope for the rare and shiny drop. Watch your currency rise, your experience, level, gear. Rinse and repeat. Can you group up in these games? Yes and It is even encouraged by better drop rates and more EXP - do you mostly see people playing them solo? Yes.

And to be still going around, talking about how BDO has no group content, I must think people are either willingly blind or have stopped playing the game for some time now. There is plenty group content as of now - more to come. What is stopping you?

Besides all of that, this is still a korean MMO and a very tame one at that. I sometimes feel like people have only been finding out about grindy MMOs since a few years. No one remembers the games back then? Last Chaos, Flyff, Grand Fantasia, Lineage, Silkroad? You grinded 10h for 0.001% and that was with 100€ worth of buffs from the item shop. Stop trying to turn everything into the same game with another skin slapped on top of it.

lmao

You can group at level 1 just fine, nothing is restricting your freedom to do so.

You can craft for profit, but that requires market analysis skills you probably lack since you believe ESO has an actual economy.

You can PVP just fine at any gear score, I witness this on a daily basis.

You can grind just fine, I witness this on a daily basis.

Is it me or did you just mention dancing as a core component of your player freedom.

If this is your list then, I think you're the one trolling or I don't know how you managed to achieve nothing in 19 years of your pretend MMO career. I mean how many years have you played BDO and failed to realise core mechanics and features giving you progression freedom.

Case in point, you can either level your character by grinding, questing or choosing one of the 10 professions available. That's correct, I was one of the brave lifeskillers that achieved level 55 in early 2017 by almost purely fishing.

Funny how you run your mouth about crafting while conveniently disregarding the amount of craftable items featured in BDO compared to other MMOs. In WoW there are like 3 professions ? lol. And when you pick one you are locked out of the other ones. lol again. In BDO you can do every profession you please and become basically self sufficient.

WoW features forced group content required to progress, BDO features opt in group content and you tell us with a straight face BDO has less freedom than WoW. Nice joke.

I could expand this list plentifully but why waste time on a creep that achieved no levels in any profession while unironically bragging about being proficient in lifeskilling for years.

What load of bullshit you toxic degenerate troll. Let me guess you have little to no experience in those games. Yet here you are lying as you do to make a point. If I was to guess judging by how you consistently falsely post about those games. You more than likely haven't even clocked 20 hours of playtime in either of them.  Anybody with a decent amount of experience in BDO and either of those games can call you on your bullshit.

Not only that but you didn't even fully read what I wrote. Because everything I said there is true. BDO is one of the most restrictive MMOs on the market. Players have little to no say on how they progress here. If you think BDO has more freedom then most of the mainstream MMORPGs, then you are more than likely retarded. The only freedom in BDO you have is the freedom to spend as much money as you want. Nearly everything else is highly restricted by the devs.

And then you tried attack me through the falsehood, that ESO don't have a economy. https://us.tamrieltradecentre.com/pc/Trade No you are just sad. I pity you really I do.

Showing our true aggrassive colors are we ? I duely reported you for insults and unappropriate content.

I made points factually illustrating BDO freedom of progression you refuted none of them, of course since you have no rebutal.

What you linked isn't an economy since ESO doesn't have any. What you linked is a third party website.

Cause your not being insulting or disrecptfull when you post messages like this "I could expand this list plentifully but why waste time on a creep that achieved no levels in any profession while unironically bragging about being proficient in lifeskilling for years." are you? Lol should report your self as well for doing the same thing as FearlessMe.

An que the spitefully comment to justify your spitefull actions.

Love it !

This is BDO perfectly described. Also anyone saying this game is PVP focused, it's a rather poor PVP game.

If at least BDO had a meaningfull use of their fight system in pve ( and not just sandbag IA, or badly tweaked AI that can CC you to death unless you outgear them so much that their damage is none existant and you end to wonder why their AI still have for order to attack you )

If at least BDO had a "more interesting" gear up system like thoses "ARPG" you used as exemple, instead of "hope for the rare loot you will more likely dont care unless you repeat that 56354 more time because gear is a dumb casino that eat all your ressource like an ogre at a eating contest.  And one shiny loot have just zero point in that game

( And yes you need to rince & repeat that much more time in a ARPG such as Diablo, but at least you still can have a little & constant evolution, or some sort of build variety, thing BDO clearly dont have which totaly change how "pleasant" will be the same kind of repetition )

If at least BDO had a deeper "class building" but not really ( and nearly thanks god given how they still paywall the skill reset and offer close to nothing in game to have a regular "reskill aviable" well, unless you have a free slot to level a class to 57 everytime you need a reset. )

So, the core of BDO is like a ARPG with the "kill endless amount of mob" without all the side that turn thoses ARPG actualy interesting.

Or yeah you indeed look at somes value increase, at in the end of the days, there is nothing else to catch your attention for the long run. And after 5years they still havent found a way to change that.

I mean, ok, they release new class every what... 3months as beside value increase staring, that's the only point that still save "BDO gameplay"