BDO PvP Survivability Needs to be addressed..
Jun 27, 2022, 12:44 (UTC)
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# 21
On: Jun 29, 2022, 14:05 (UTC), Written by She
Yep, so instead of getting 3skilled you get 4skilled.. Doesn't seem like a big deal imho and people in general will still die fast... I'd touch dr scaling
If you facetank 4hits and do nothing to kill your enemy/prevent him from hitting you, then that's a skill issue.
Yeah one could arguage why can you cc someone for 5 times the TTK, but on the otherhand if you could not delete players in a single cc combo, then players would just run away, just as they do in AOS, and that's even more AIDS.
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The issue, while not a popular opinion, is that there is TOO MANY SKILLS and TOO MANY CLASSES also there is way too many MODIFIERS.
It's difficult to balance because there are simply too many combinations of skills classes and substats.
Damage is too high! This point is 100% true.
They scale the PVE higher and -pvp damage by a different amount for each skill.. it's simply too many variables.
On top of that x class vs y class -x amount of damage..
Its not consistent..
I am in a similar place as OP my DP is very high but it seems like it doesn't matter at all in pvp. I can have 1 dp or 412 dp and I still can get one shot.
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# 23
On: Jun 29, 2022, 17:40 (UTC), Written by Priato
There no solution to the instead kill 1 shot meta that is BDO. This game isn't designed for slower pace fights were you wittle each other down over time. This is #1 due to how stats work in the game an #2 from how much healing exist in the game were it possible to go from 10% HP to 100% HP with one healing skill. The result of these factors is you either make everyone overly tanky an PVP outcomes are determined by who loses interest first or instead 1 shot meta were the moment your CCed you just die.
if you want the combat to be slower paced but still give players the ability to kill each other than the whole stat system in the game needs an overhaul & healing needs to be massively nerfed. Only when high DP stats actually matter and you can no longer insteadly heal back to full heath at the press of a button can you have enjoyable slower paced combat that doesn't revolve around nuking each other before your opponent can react.
The issue with the one shot methodology is that it comes down to who has the best PC frame rate. literally the real p2w part of BDO pvp.
Potato mode is a kinda work around but even then a guy with a top end PC can be a total shitter but simply know a combo he does before you even see what's going on in your own screen..
It's not fair to people who don't have 1000s to spend on a high end video card.
The game devs prolly should have raised the system requirements a long time ago, but they would lose customers so don't.
Fast paced is good, but fast pace = FPS = Uber spec PC.
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# 24
On: Jul 1, 2022, 00:19 (UTC), Written by TezeB
I can have 1 dp or 412 dp and I still can get one shot.
I only have 395 DP currently (just a couple more thousand Caphra's for 401), and I don't get one shot. One combo by geared people when I'm CC'd or disintegrated if I'm caught in the middle of a lot of a blob, sure, but 100 - 0 in one ability? No.
Maybe you were exaggerating to make a point that DP feels super weak in many situations. I agree on that. But I do not get "one shot" (I interpret as 100 - 0 in one ability), with considerably less DP than 412. Just saying. No shade intended.
But yeah, DP can feel very underwhelming, that's for sure. I still want that juicy 401, though. I'm salivating.
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# 25
On: Jul 1, 2022, 02:48 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos
I only have 395 DP currently (just a couple more thousand Caphra's for 401), and I don't get one shot. One combo by geared people when I'm CC'd or disintegrated if I'm caught in the middle of a lot of a blob, sure, but 100 - 0 in one ability? No.
Maybe you were exaggerating to make a point that DP feels super weak in many situations. I agree on that. But I do not get "one shot" (I interpret as 100 - 0 in one ability), with considerably less DP than 412. Just saying. No shade intended.
But yeah, DP can feel very underwhelming, that's for sure. I still want that juicy 401, though. I'm salivating.
Yeah, noone with proper, PvP ready gear get's oneshoted, not even on squishy classes. Even PA's new cashgrab class only deals ~80% of the max hp with a single ability, which is not balanced, but not oneshot.
DP fels weak cause cc's are too strong. You can get cc'd for 5 times the TTK, and you even deal more damage to cc'd players, what do one expect really? Unless player wears meme gear or significantly outgear his opponent he will always die in a cc, and due to bdo being a next generation game, literately half of the abilities in this game have an AOE cc component, just to put emphasis on skill based gameplay kappa
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# 26
On: Jul 1, 2022, 02:48 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos
I only have 395 DP currently (just a couple more thousand Caphra's for 401), and I don't get one shot. One combo by geared people when I'm CC'd or disintegrated if I'm caught in the middle of a lot of a blob, sure, but 100 - 0 in one ability? No.
Maybe you were exaggerating to make a point that DP feels super weak in many situations. I agree on that. But I do not get "one shot" (I interpret as 100 - 0 in one ability), with considerably less DP than 412. Just saying. No shade intended.
But yeah, DP can feel very underwhelming, that's for sure. I still want that juicy 401, though. I'm salivating.
I definitely don't see getting "One Shot" that does not happen not at my gear level.
But I can point out that unless your not paying attention OR not experienced in PVP what seems like a "One Shot" was actually probably several hits from splash damage about the same time.
Most players seem to forget that skill targeting is not a aim and fire at a single person some of the skills that are being used have up to 10+ targets they can hit within the AOE range of the skill.
Even if the skill was intended for one player it can still connect and do damage to multiples. In cases of ranged attacks you may never see the skill in your field of view.
This will in a lot of ways feel like your being "One Shot".
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# 27
On: Jul 2, 2022, 12:44 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas
I definitely don't see getting "One Shot" that does not happen not at my gear level.
But I can point out that unless your not paying attention OR not experienced in PVP what seems like a "One Shot" was actually probably several hits from splash damage about the same time.
Most players seem to forget that skill targeting is not a aim and fire at a single person some of the skills that are being used have up to 10+ targets they can hit within the AOE range of the skill.
Even if the skill was intended for one player it can still connect and do damage to multiples. In cases of ranged attacks you may never see the skill in your field of view.
This will in a lot of ways feel like your being "One Shot".
Yeah they should reduce the size of AOEs in PvP and lower the max target cap. There should be no classes which can just use an SA AOE that covers the whole screen, cc on every hit and have high damage aswell. That not very skill based PvP I would say...
There should be risk for reward. In actually competitive PvP games cc abilities are esither risky or limited so you need to manage your cooldowns/rescource. In bdo the skills pretty much thrown together randomly, without any kind of balancing in mind.
(Altrough having high AOE hitboxes help countering the desync due to the shit engine+trash servers couldn't following the players fast enough.)
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On: Jul 2, 2022, 12:44 (UTC), Written by ReconKangas
I definitely don't see getting "One Shot" that does not happen not at my gear level.
But I can point out that unless your not paying attention OR not experienced in PVP what seems like a "One Shot" was actually probably several hits from splash damage about the same time.
Most players seem to forget that skill targeting is not a aim and fire at a single person some of the skills that are being used have up to 10+ targets they can hit within the AOE range of the skill.
Even if the skill was intended for one player it can still connect and do damage to multiples. In cases of ranged attacks you may never see the skill in your field of view.
This will in a lot of ways feel like your being "One Shot".
I am not interested in explaining this fact, I am interested in why 1 out of 10 players in Solar Arena (and almost all on RBF) kills me in 1 second, and at the same time only me, with other players it does not happen, I am also interested in how to solve this problem, because without solving this problem, pvp does not exist.
Also, as CatDK said: my attacks do little or no harm to this person.
And now two interesting ss from Solar.
1. My team do almost 0 dmg, I afk last round for faster finish this sh. and look what I saw after match:
One round afk and I dealt 2 times more damage with my archer than my team and look at their character classes.
2. Now look at this:
There was absolutely nothing I could do. Each round ended after 1 second for me, I was not even able to jump away from opponents. Despite this, we won because the remaining two of my team was able to stand until the end of the round / kill all three.
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# 29
On: Jul 1, 2022, 02:48 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos
I only have 395 DP currently (just a couple more thousand Caphra's for 401), and I don't get one shot. One combo by geared people when I'm CC'd or disintegrated if I'm caught in the middle of a lot of a blob, sure, but 100 - 0 in one ability? No.
Maybe you were exaggerating to make a point that DP feels super weak in many situations. I agree on that. But I do not get "one shot" (I interpret as 100 - 0 in one ability), with considerably less DP than 412. Just saying. No shade intended.
But yeah, DP can feel very underwhelming, that's for sure. I still want that juicy 401, though. I'm salivating.
It's like DP is designed for PvE firstly.
Tanking trolls is easy.
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On: Jul 2, 2022, 16:12 (UTC), Written by Senemedar
I am not interested in explaining this fact, I am interested in why 1 out of 10 players in Solar Arena (and almost all on RBF) kills me in 1 second, and at the same time only me, with other players it does not happen, I am also interested in how to solve this problem, because without solving this problem, pvp does not exist.
Also, as CatDK said: my attacks do little or no harm to this person.
And now two interesting ss from Solar.
1. My team do almost 0 dmg, I afk last round for faster finish this sh. and look what I saw after match:
One round afk and I dealt 2 times more damage with my archer than my team and look at their character classes.
2. Now look at this:
There was absolutely nothing I could do. Each round ended after 1 second for me, I was not even able to jump away from opponents. Despite this, we won because the remaining two of my team was able to stand until the end of the round / kill all three.
The only logic explanation is that you either get oneshoted from ulti, and when you dont deal dmg they are in PA. Or you simly dont know that you have to set your gear and you play naked...
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