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Why you shouldn't give this game another cent.
Jul 19, 2022, 06:05 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 08:57 (UTC)
# 51
On: Jul 21, 2022, 17:22 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

How many times can this be repeated? Can you use caphras on black star tet? Not. Can you use capras on tet accessories? Not.

And this one pen acc it's not worth the cost. And besides, it won't change anything. I don't need 2 AP but 30 AP more.

You cannot use caphras on tet blackstar. You can buy it from the market though. Considering a cost of about 12bil, and an income of 600mil (e.g. from centaurs), that would take you 20 days to reach even if you grind for a total of one hour per day. Do this twice for mainhand and awakening, you got the gear, without any RNG. 

The same goes for tet accessories. Play one season, you got a tet necklace. Do the Jetina pen accessory (which is extremely worth it, I dont know what you mean by that), thats another tet/pen accessory down. By the time you reach the point of gear you care about more, you have reached a second season usually. Make a season char to level 20, boom another pen capo, this time we have the ring. 

Then another 13 days of grind for another 8 bil, and we have a tet belt. Still no RNG involved. 

The supply of items on the CM is more than enough. RNG is only for those who want to engage in it. Unless you want to go for hardcap items like PEN Deboreka or PEN Fallen God, you can buy it, without needing any RNG.

Gearing up in this game has never been easier. New players can reach competitive gear within 3-6 months easily. And before that they can compete in capped content, only open world is where the veterans have the advantage. But open world has no rewards for a win or consequences for a loss (unless negative karma), so there is no issue.

In PvP, due to a lot of damage buffs, players with 50 GS less than the opponent can still kill the other player if they outplay them. New players dont need 730 GS to fight people who have been playing for years. The amount of people with that kind of GS is so low that its negligible. In other games, you also dont fight the endboss before you grinded your way up to them. 

Last point: If a new player cant beat a veteran who has played for years, then maybe it's not just gear that makes the difference. Game knowledge, skill, strategy are also included. And why shouldnt a veteran be rewarded for their hard work? Work needs to have an outcome, otherwise there is no point in playing this game. Yes, new players should be able to compete with veterans. That doesnt mean they need to be elevated to the same level within days or weeks of playing. Why would anyone gear up then if there is no reward for it.

There needs to be a balance between "letting players catch up" and "rewarding effort". In the current BDO, the scale is more towards the former than it has ever been before. Complaining about not getting endgame items without effort is underminding the actual problems of the game and the RNG system, and so is complaining about RNG for items that you can easily buy while ignoring solutions that were offered by the game already.

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 13:22 (UTC)
# 52

Imagine people competing and caring about BDO's PvP scene and gear.

Having TRI gear and you having PEN gear is the same thing.

You will still die in 2 seconds.

Everything moves at light speed so don't even think about reading your opponents animations and react to them, who ever has the higher range AoE skills and the most I - frames wins the fight, first CC wins, some classes got x3 times stronger Q block shield than others, if you don't play a class that can stay protected 24/7 by spamming the same combo non stop well you arleady lost the fight and there is absolutely zero point to even fight against the said classes.

"oh new player can't beat veteran", why do you even care to beat someone in this broken game in the first place?

This game exists just to milk you people wake up, they don't even want to balance it, they just want you to buy new inventory, new weight, new underwear for the +1 luck, new EXP / Skill Point transfer coupons, new weapon transfer coupons and more.

The game exist for more than 5 years and some people still haven't realised how broken this game really is.

Just imagine having 100 billion silver worth of gear and still getting melted in 2 seconds.

Why does even Q block exist in this game if all it takes is 1 skill and you get CC'ed through the block state?

The whole combat system is a joke and yet people say "i can't beat this guy", of course you can't beat him, he is a veteran who knows which class is good and how to abuse the broken systems in the game in order to take advantage over you.

If you want to experience real balanced PvP, go and play Blade and Soul.

By the way i don't even know if BnS is still alive, i deleted my account due to having problems with NCsoft years ago.

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 14:42 (UTC)
# 53
On: Jul 22, 2022, 08:57 (UTC), Written by Minarya

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And next "expert". So especially for you: I got black stars tet and tungrads tet, I want black stars pen and tungrads pen.

How am I supposed to do this? You can't use an enchantment, you can't buy them. You probably don't think that someone will grind it for 10 years and deal with toxic people in open pvp.

We just want a progressive system that rewards you for playing and allows you to get best items.

Such a system is e.g. Jetina. Unfortunately, such a system is not Godr because it is still an unrealistic chance for success and degradation of the item. There is also nothing in the matter of accessories other than this one pseudo pen from Jetina.

Also what about the manos? Why no manos from Jetina?

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 14:47 (UTC)
# 54
On: Jul 22, 2022, 13:14 (UTC), Written by Prokaizer

Imagine people competing and caring about BDO's PvP scene and gear.

Having TRI gear and you having PEN gear is the same thing.

Nonsense, did you take part in the fights at Solar Arena?

Difference between full AP and full DP is colossal. And we are talking here about small differences like 10-15 AP / DP.

When this difference is 30-45 AP / DP (tri vs pen) it is what makes one player kill another in 1 second.

Try pvp at lvl 55 with Tuvala tri. Neither you will kill the enemy nor he will kill you.

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 15:02 (UTC)
# 55
On: Jul 22, 2022, 14:47 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

Nonsense, did you take part in the fights at Solar Arena?

Difference between full AP and full DP is colossal. And we are talking here about small differences like 10-15 AP / DP.

When this difference is 30-45 AP / DP (tri vs pen) it is what makes one player kill another in 1 second.

Try pvp at lvl 55 with Tuvala tri. Neither you will kill the enemy nor he will kill you.

What you don't seem to understand is that a person with 600+- gear is not going to press CTRL + C and try to kill you, because he knows his gear is jackSh. . and he is not willing to take the risk.

From the other hand a person with 700gs is either going to ask you for a DFS, or he is going to straight up CTRL + C and kill you in 2 seconds.

Having TRI or PENc3 is the same thing.

The 700gs player is going to kill you in 2 seconds no matter if you are wearing a TRI armor or PEN armor.

If you PvP in open world your Karma get's reduced to 0 in 2/3 kills and if you go to Arsha your 630gs gear can't even scratch the whales.

So why even bother doing PvP in this game?

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 15:10 (UTC)
# 56

Yes if you grind bugs at velia it will take you 10 years. If you spend your time on the forum you will never get it. I can give you an example, three people I know, one of them bought full TET manos accessories and pen blackstar weapon, tapped pen Manos hunting clothes. Grinding and hunting - both for over a bil/h. Another one spent nearly 70b on TRI dead god, one year of mostly sailing and bartering. The third one tapped PEN blackstar buying blacksmith crons. PEN tungrad neck too, raw tapping. I can guarantee none of them is whaling silver. You are just whining out of your mind for handouts and PvE servers.

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 17:24 (UTC)
# 57
On: Jul 22, 2022, 15:10 (UTC), Written by NotSoKookie

Yes if you grind bugs at velia it will take you 10 years. 

I have the right and the desire to get all the treasures, it's not my fault that the system works badly and gives you 50-100m per hour when you do it.

On: Jul 22, 2022, 15:10 (UTC), Written by NotSoKookie

I can give you an example, three people I know, one of them bought full TET manos accessories and pen blackstar weapon, tapped pen Manos hunting clothes. 

I can give you an example, three people I know who have been playing since the premiere and got their first pens from Jetina.

What do I care about your friends who spent thousands of dollars / euros / pounds?

On: Jul 22, 2022, 15:10 (UTC), Written by NotSoKookie

sailing and bartering. 

Bartering has been nerfed 3 times and is now completely unprofitable.

No new player will take care of it, since the construction and enchantment of the ship (carrack) itself will take him 6-10 months.

Also: no free compass = no bartering.

On: Jul 22, 2022, 15:10 (UTC), Written by NotSoKookie

I can guarantee none of them is whaling silver. 

Because they told you so?

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 18:08 (UTC)
# 58
On: Jul 22, 2022, 17:23 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

I have the right and the desire to get all the treasures, it's not my fault that the system works badly and gives you 50-100m per hour when you do it.

I can give you an example, three people I know who have been playing since the premiere and got their first pens from Jetina.

What do I care about your friends who spent thousands of dollars / euros / pounds?

Bartering has been nerfed 3 times and is now completely unprofitable.

No new player will take care of it, since the construction and enchantment of the ship (carrack) itself will take him 6-10 months.

Also: no free compass = no bartering.

Because they told you so?

Hey, if the treasure spots were also good money making spots, don't you think you would be even more challenged by other players? Think, buddy, think. BDO as a whole. XD

Moreover, if you don't care about other people telling you their experience and don't believe them, don't go around telling your own experience while hoping you would get any attention.

If their stories are not valuable, why would be your stories more valuable?

But you always make up excuses for not doing things, because they're too long/difficult/boring/whatever. For me, the problem is clear : it's your fault for choosing a game which clearly annoys you. 

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 19:15 (UTC)
# 59

I agree with you on treasure spots earning less money, however I don't think it's 100mil. It's a personal choice because you have alternatives, which are not bad. I did 1h yesterday at ronaros, not the main rotation because it was taken. I've got over 300mil, of course not just in trash.

That was with agris and 50% scroll, the 100% dr event we have running, was used instead of the ICI gauge(yellow scroll). I'm using all these items and haven't taxed them. See, I've prepared, lol, I wanted to check the 50-100mil claim. I'll do more tests once I have the time.

Well, I don't see anything wrong with playing since 2016 and getting your first pen from a quest, however that doesn't prove tapping a PEN without spending money is impossible. 

It doesn't matter if bartering is profitable or not. That is what the person enjoys doing, that's what the person does. What's more bartering earning bad silver just adds to my point. I have a Valor, 6-10 months is slacking hard. Now even more so, since the recent changes.

"No free compass = no bartering" ?!  - no comment there.

Yes, they do whale on stuff, just like I do too but not costumes, consumables and silver. Maybe it's something you can't understand - there are people who play the game because of the journey. For some people the game doesn't start when you get the the best gear - it ends there. There's nothing left to figure out and work towards. I would rather uninstall than spend money on silver, consumables or costumes for crons. 

The "convenience" part however is tricky. With the amount of spare time I have if I don't whale for "convenience" I won't be able to get much done. It sucks but it's how the world works.

Last Edit : Jul 22, 2022, 19:25 (UTC)
# 60
Écrit le : 22 juil. 2022, 08:57 (UTC), par : Minarya

you got the gear, without any RNG

But to have gear on the MP, you still need somebody to go through all the BDO gear casino , right ?

Therefore its not "without any RNG", its :"somebody else did the RNG and/or P2W"

Gear simply cannot exist without their giant gambling scam. ( unless PA made a system creating gear to supply the market )

Because you can buy somebody else product, it do not make the creation process issue disapear.

As you here only rely on gambler and/or p2w-er

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