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Why you shouldn't give this game another cent.
Jul 19, 2022, 06:05 (UTC)
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# 71
On: Jul 23, 2022, 11:44 (UTC), Written by NotSoKookie

No, the treasure is the main reason you go there. It is the profit. Why do you think it is called treasure? Why do you chase after it? It's not bad design, quite the opposite. Such design disincenivize players who don't want/need said treasures and the spots are less contested. If it was the opposite you would be crying at least twice as much.

Unlimited private zones and PvE only servers (excluding Ovlia) are against the core game design and I hope PA don't give up on it. 

olvia is not pve server, you can kill people in olvia

Last Edit : Jul 23, 2022, 16:11 (UTC)
# 72
Écrit le : 22 juil. 2022, 20:07 (UTC), par : NotSoKookie

 Corporations are in for the money, not customer satisfaction.

That belong to the worse blinked copium the internet can produce.

Because any company wany money, there is no excuse for 1- poorly take care about their own product, 2- using one of the worse predatory buisiness  ( which damage the user experience itself )

There is enough good game, generating lot of money for company to grow, with honest buisiness to dismiss such stockholms syndrom kind of "lets excuse PA, its normal".

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Last Edit : Jul 23, 2022, 19:59 (UTC)
# 75
On: Jul 23, 2022, 16:03 (UTC), Written by Unknownn

That belong to the worse blinked copium the internet can produce.

Because any company wany money, there is no excuse for 1- poorly take care about their own product, 2- using one of the worse predatory buisiness  ( which damage the user experience itself )

There is enough good game, generating lot of money for company to grow, with honest buisiness to dismiss such stockholms syndrom kind of "lets excuse PA, its normal".

You are not just playing a fantasy game you are living in one it seems. I'm just being realistic. What do you mean there's no excuse, when something is good enough to make loads of money it's considered done well. If you think the people in charge give a F about your experience you are the one high on copuim. To be clear that's not developers. They have no say in what goes live.

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2022, 07:51 (UTC)
# 76
Écrit le : 23 juil. 2022, 19:59 (UTC), par : NotSoKookie

You are not just playing a fantasy game you are living in one it seems. I'm just being realistic. What do you mean there's no excuse, when something is good enough to make loads of money it's considered done well. If you think the people in charge give a F about your experience you are the one high on copuim. To be clear that's not developers. They have no say in what goes live.

You are beeing realistic pretending company never care about their product and only think about exploiting customer based on somes known psychological manipulation. So returning a bad product quality ? 😂

i dont know what's your life style habit regarding service / product you pay for, but i can only suggest to change them if you consider the above as 100% what's going on everywhere for everything.

Here you just try to defend BDO with a chewbacca defense.

But yes, Pearl Abyss absolutely do not care about their customer  and the product itself, that's for sure

Écrit le : 23 juil. 2022, 18:28 (UTC), par : Sadalsuud

Yep, you can nitpick, you're still wrong. 

Last Edit : Jul 24, 2022, 09:08 (UTC)
# 77
On: Jul 24, 2022, 07:50 (UTC), Written by Unknownn

You are beeing realistic pretending company never care about their product and only think about exploiting customer based on somes known psychological manipulation. So returning a bad product quality ? 😂

i dont know what's your life style habit regarding service / product you pay for, but i can only suggest to change them if you consider the above as 100% what's going on everywhere for everything.

Here you just try to defend BDO with a chewbacca defense.

But yes, Pearl Abyss absolutely do not care about their customer  and the product itself, that's for sure

No, it's not at 100% but ain't far from it. Exploitation and manipulation are at the base of nearly everything, from the government that runs you, to the food you put in your mouth. At least the game leaves options. Make use of them or whine how it ain't all butterflies, unicorns and rainbows.

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# 79
On: Jul 22, 2022, 14:42 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

And next "expert". So especially for you: I got black stars tet and tungrads tet, I want black stars pen and tungrads pen.

How am I supposed to do this? You can't use an enchantment, you can't buy them. You probably don't think that someone will grind it for 10 years and deal with toxic people in open pvp.

We just want a progressive system that rewards you for playing and allows you to get best items.

Such a system is e.g. Jetina. Unfortunately, such a system is not Godr because it is still an unrealistic chance for success and degradation of the item. There is also nothing in the matter of accessories other than this one pseudo pen from Jetina.

Also what about the manos? Why no manos from Jetina?

I don't understand your point again. 

Yes you can enhance Blackstar and tungrad. It's very punishing, but it's possible. Getting crons is easier than ever, and a lot of people do enhance things with free stuff we are given. 

Yes you can buy them. It takes a good amount of hours, but it is possible. The items are easily available and listed on the market. 
Saying it's not possible because you don't like the options is just a straight up lie. 

"Grind for 10 years". As I said. Given an average income of 600 mio/h, which is less than what can be expected, you're close to a pen BS after 200 hrs. Which is a long time yes. But it's the best weapon in the game that you can get. There should be a rather steep price for it. If you want to get gains in the meantime, get a tri godr ayed. That's already very close in terms of power. 

"Toxic players in open pvp". Use marni rooms. Swap servers. Go to an unpopular spot. I haven't met a single person who asked for for dfs in close to 3 months. The delusion that once you step a foot out of safezone there are 500 red players coming to hunt you seems to be wide spread. That may have been the case back when orcs was the only worthwhile spot in the game, but with the selection of similarly efficient spots, this simply is not true. One week after calpheon elvia release I could grind at the Hexe marni rotation on a normal server for hours without anyone asking for the spot. PvP happens in open world, yes. That's the game. You knew that when you started. But it's extremely rare and there are ways to avoid it. It definitly doesn't stop you from grinding the money you need for the endgame items you want. 

"Progressive system that rewards you for playing". Yes we have that. It's called making money and then buying things from the MP. I explained it above. Jetina is a system that allows you to get items below market price. After it gets more expensive, there is 0 reason to use it any more, unless a persons hybris is big enough to make them pay an additional 8bil just to get their name on the item. If you want more systems to get items below market value, then that's understandable. But be aware that the Jetina system is meant to catch new players up to the average gear of concurrent players. It is not meant to help you reach endgame items easier. 
So unless there comes a time when PEN Blackstar is the average gear, there won't be a Jetina way to get it. Endgame and high value it items only retain their value through scarcity. BDO is a Game that wants your gear to stay meaningful for a long time. That in turn means that gear upgrades also take a long time. Other MMOs go a different path and continuously add new and better gear that basically invalidates the old gear. But new and casual players also don't get that new gear for free. BDO is a Progression based Game. If you make the Progression cap too easy to get to, the lack of "endgame content" that we already have would be multiplied. 
In the end, that's just a long winded way of saying:

- If you want endgame items, put effort in it

- Catch up systems are not meant to bring you to endgame, just to average gear

The pen acc from jetina is just the devs way of creating some extra hype for content and increasing scarcity of other items. It's not a "Pseudo" PEN, it is a PEN. It's not the BiS item, sure. But refer to above. They will not be giving out endgame items. 

Last Edit : Jul 25, 2022, 07:27 (UTC)
# 80
On: Jul 22, 2022, 19:22 (UTC), Written by Unknownn

But to have gear on the MP, you still need somebody to go through all the BDO gear casino , right ?

Therefore its not "without any RNG", its :"somebody else did the RNG and/or P2W"

Gear simply cannot exist without their giant gambling scam. ( unless PA made a system creating gear to supply the market )

Because you can buy somebody else product, it do not make the creation process issue disapear.

As you here only rely on gambler and/or p2w-er

Correct. Someone else has to do the RNG journey. The "you" in that case referred to the person buying the item. Clicking "buy" on the CM is kind of guaranteed. 

As we see, there is supply even for PEN Bs on the market. Ergo, there are people either quitting and selling, or making more of these items than they need. So where is the issue. If there are people willing to take the chance, let them? If people are whaling, why does it bother you? They fund the game for free updates for you, and give you the items in game that you need, without you spending a dime. 

But as I said, I do believe there are issues with the enhancing system and its monetisation. I'm definitely not denying that. What I'm saying is that, as a player who is bothered by it, there are ways to avoid it. 

If we want to change the enhancement system, we definitely need better ideas then "give us free stuff for logging in" and "I should have endgame items because I want them" though. Feel free to suggest some ideas, or give examples from systems of other MMOs to create some discussion around that (in another post though ^^)

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