If your shai isnt doing enough damage then you know what to do....

Some info from me... the test im running, even drak out proforms shai in pve now.. sure im gonna go back and check the results forth the 11teenth time when i've had rest, cus even im shocked!

have they reall broken shai that bad in pve outside of endgame zone? wow PA, if the results hold, this will be recored reality, you cant explain it away.

what test?

Second video (result still not ready - lot of testing and learning new classes) but

Makes it hard to carry on with feedback and tests when you notice somthing like this.... that it may be true that it dosent mater... one KR streamer syas someithing and PA jump!

Shai is especially bad at the lower tier spots like below 240ak since those spots are based around huge packs of monsters who need to be insta killed. Shai lacks AOE to do that while still maintaining the mobility which would be needed to reach the next pack. 1,2,3 only has the range on the third hit which basically means we need to attack 3 times on a mobpack which other classes only need 1 or 2 good aoe attacks just because our limited range.
The new windburst spell they gave us with the fake rework helped a bit with that but that has a pretty long animation and still didn't solve the mobility issue. The surfboard while nice theoretically doesn't really help there due to the cooldown. It rather helps in endgame spot where the enemy groups live long enough for the cd to recover.

The disadvantages on these lower tier spots are especially harsh considering you kinda have to do them for most of the artifacts beside the trader ring. compass, map, health, mana potion. Tons of spots where you have to hang around for hundreds of hours in total. Spots where shai often has nearly half the trash per hour than the top classes and where gear doesnt even matter at all due to caps and the issue that not dmg is the problem but range/aoe and mobility.

I kinda wish they would give us a pure dmg drum spell which has no animation delay , no cc component and no tohit bonus at all so it can't be used in endgame that well. That would propably solve the low and mid game farming by allowing us to farm these kind of spots using music while in the endgame spots florang is needed and can be balanced. Than they'd have 2 components they could balance for their spot ranges. While the nerf to endgame might have been needed the nerf to early end,mid and low tier spots that came with that are whats so bad. Im a main Shai in EU with 969 days playtime on my shai and I never even was on the spots shai was nerfed for and didn't even had the intention to move there anytime soon. I'm mainly a mixed player, lifeskill and a bit grind with 289/281/402 and that be said, I could propably count the amount of non tagged main shai players above 300ak on one hand.

The players who might have used that high endgame new spot advantage are often not even Main Shai players but hard progress players who use every advantage they can get. They tag to the class which suits their need and switch around as soon as the advantage switches.
With the nerf though us main shai players have ben hit hard without even being the source for these issues.

PA shouldn't have just looked at these endgame spots and than globally nerf shai over all spots but made changes and adjustments to solve the real issue without making her disadvantages even worse.

My garmoth records showed for example a 1,8-2,2K miru trashloot drop in 1 hour after this nerf. Shai wasn't a top grinder pre nerf at miru at all ... and Miru is a spot where Shais disadvantages don't even come up ... since mobility isn't an issue. One of the very very few spots there are like this in this ak range. But don't let me even beginn with manshaum or tshira or any of the other potion artifact spots.
And we shouldn't fortget that the winter zone and calp elvia (both new areas we got) have exactly 0 groupspots ... as soon as the gear progression fetches up we can basically stop trying to go to these endgame spots anyway since we won't be able to compete for one DFS wise.

It looks like PA assume such people don’t exist and I don’t know how, they are menna have the data, right? (stating to think that a myth, and PA have no such data collection methord othere than 3rd party sites)

Was made very clear to me when the new instruments came out and I would hear musician shai, that grind now and again complaining that the instruments where very expensive...

Well a few bill, that nothing end game, but if you are a casual player and on a shai? You’re out there in mid game spots.

As for the hours, if I put together my main shai and my other shai (15 shai - main 295k - 379dp), I would say we are around the same hours, and I do mainly grind mid spots. I’m just not interested in the end game spots for mega loads for cash, for a few reasons.... and it’s not that I can’t do them if I want to do them. Jade forest is as high as i may got when i wanna burn agriss.

And should I collect recorded evidence of that is being said, that supersede what a commentators theories, are PA just gonna ignore it? Are PA even beening told?

I think we have a huge issues if I go to all this effort and it’s just ignored, because you cannot do more that actuality recording reality.. it would mean PA are willing to ignore reality for some strange reason, and we have no ability (and never did) to give feedback… just sometimes our feedback matches up with PAs plans and it looks like they are listening.

Addition;

And I don’t know if people noticed? Shai was becoming a bit more popular (a near pve FOTM on level with striker), even saw streamers taking on shai… But they had already done midgame on their other charters, then tagged a shai for end game…

Skipping all of shai other game play, and PA then balanced shai for that 10% of content? WTF PA, are you that dented?

They are making shai an endgame tag for other classes only, unless you where lucky enough to be at endgame and interested in endgame before the nerfs

Misty Haze nerf-

so important and well thought out that it went live globally in like a week and bypassed test servers entirely

Shai general nerf because Shai was in a good spot for the 2% of PvE content that she isnt trash at-

Made it onto labs, feedback ignored, went live within a couple weeks. Shai now even worse at most content(mostly mid,early game)

October 8, 2021-

*crickets nearly a year later*

how easy would it be to give jetina a quick, less structured quest where we simply bring her a tet sol and the total amount of guaranteed pen mats all at once, and then she gives us a pen sol? How many minutes would that take to add?

PA didnt care about doing right by Shai, they just wanted to shut us up about being excluded from yet another aspect of the game until we forgot and they could deny it ever happened

I didnt even start doing PvE until Dec 22 2021, I dragged my feet for a long time waiting for the Sol guaranteed pen option or alternative to be added. Eventually I started trying to enhance it anyways since it was self sabotage to not do so...

I didnt get that PEN until I was 281k and already living in endgame at gyfin. It cost me~60b in mats and set me back months in character progression. 60b for an item slot that any other class could guaranteed pen for less than 10b, or buy for 12b, or tag for nearly free. But not Shai, Shai isnt worth that kind of dev time.

Unless she needs nerfs, then bringing Shai in line is a top priority.

I dont even mind the nerfs for myself, Im still doing fine at Hexe and I dont PvP.. because Shai.

I do object to the complete neglect our class gets in most aspects of the game, while only being worthy of dev time when we ARENT bad at something.(or an advertising campaign :| )

Pls use Heidel ball to announce finishing and fully integrating our class into the game. Early and mid game PvE buffs(mobility for one) and a real vision for what we should be in endgame PvP given how much the game has changed since launch and how the class' original design intention has already failed and unravelled 

oh and fix corsair

god poor corsairs

you know your class is in a bad place when the shai pity you 😭

PA don’t give a F because on the whole, the image has been that the community don’t give an F (a few still don’t, but now they are being cast out when they say silly things).. so PA got away with that..

That sentiment is changing. If we can get more commentator’s onboard. Talking about how unfair this is, how it’s not okay, it makes a difference.

And they don’t have to like the shai class, but as gamers, they should be looking out for each other.

As for the SOL, yeah really fair that I’m having to tap for a second Pen sol because I can’t tag the SOL to my DP shai…

There is no reason shai cannot tag another shai sol. Sol can be put in storage and then on the other shai. Tagging is a QoL issues only

So shai to shai? Why not? Cus PA lazy and don’t give a dam! (and that is fact they cant explain away)

Addition (something PA willingly do not take into account, because its no secret)

It would be a shame if we stopped being people's pocket shai... A real shame...

Results are in for test one. Mid game (done the hard work for ya, if your chose to look and share, thats on you)

Well ... this is going to be an unpopular comment but considering what happened with the recent nerf PA has show that they don't care at all so far they just neglected the class as much as they could but this nerf was pointed at her directly without any cosideration to her situation or feedback but to be honest when did they listen to feedback of this class xD one maybe two times on very small an unimportant stuff.

Some of you should know better than me that feedback is pointless, you've been giving it for years and nothing happened.

At this point the only change I would ask PA to do is to put a warning on the character selection telling that this class role is being a cute papeweight so they can do marketing with it and assure no one else will play this class besides from roleplaying purposes.