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Kuno Awakening Core Skill Replacement
Mar 14, 2021, 11:47 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 14, 2021, 11:47 (UTC)
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Could you perhaps change the Core for Sah Spree to another one or add more cores? Most of these are not really that useful. Lunatic discus getting a full protection, Chaincrash getting SA, Flow:Indignation getting a Stiff/Bound/KD or Danse Macabre getting a Stiff/Bound would be much more useful than the majority of the current cores.

 

Lunar dash: FG are the worst type of protection for a movement skill. SA or Iframe work much better. At least its not a partial protection.

Lethal Spin: This should be a stun or apply on every hit, but only cc once. Similar to before the CC system changes. Enemy can block 1 hit or SA 1 hit then grab.

Half moon slash: Skill used for protected movement. Would rather have a working protection than cc on that skill.

 

Delighted blast having SA  and maybe Wheel of Wrath with the FG are the only really useful ones.

 

Really hope for a change of those Cores.

 

Last Edit : Mar 14, 2021, 16:08 (UTC)
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Delighted blast would be good but Delighted blast SA last 0.5s which is absolutely useless and is a meme considering if you let the full skill play out without canceling out of it the animaton for the skill last 3s. So why they only made the SA last 0.5s makes zero sense to me oh wait I know why cause reee fuck kuno should just rolled ninja already cause it cores skills don't suck balls.

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Last Edit : Mar 17, 2021, 03:30 (UTC)
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I don't even spend the skill points on those junk skills, they need to change, I don't think they will. Developers hate female class versions apparently

Last Edit : Mar 17, 2021, 12:52 (UTC)
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On: Mar 17, 2021, 03:30 (UTC), Written by Kattsino

I don't even spend the skill points on those junk skills, they need to change, I don't think they will. Developers hate female class versions apparently

Facts. Was looking an the new awakening skills an kuno's is completely unneeded. It a 1s SA an the skill does low pathetic tickle damage, but ninja lol ninja gets an iframe stiffen giving awakening ninja 5 protected CC now to awakening kuno one. An ninja new awakening skills does stupid amounts of damage as well. Kuno forever shitty version of ninja.

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Last Edit : Mar 18, 2021, 09:14 (UTC)
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Didnt touch awaken kuno since succession come out, but hell that skill is disapointment. Atleast on paper.

Last Edit : Mar 18, 2021, 18:59 (UTC)
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On: Mar 18, 2021, 09:14 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone

Didnt touch awaken kuno since succession come out, but hell that skill is disapointment. Atleast on paper.

Been playing around with it an it really is useless in most cases I have another SA I can use if all mine are already on CD. But unless your a dogshit kuno player you won't need the extra SA an ya the damage is pathetic so using it for damage is pointless. However, I will say I noticed the removed the stiffen on ninja new awakening skill but it still 100x better than kuno's.

 

Ninja's is an iframe for one so great another iframe added to the ninja kit, so now ninja has 5 iframes to kuno's 1 iframe that on an 18s CD.  An the damage is game breaking OP with it 100% crit rate an while it accuracy is low the skill debuffs the target evasion by 6%. So if you get a 4% evasion debuff addon you can apply a 10% evasion debuff that basically makes ninja accuracy struggles non exist now. So kuno gets a SA she doesn't actually need ninja gets another skill that makes him immune to damage an literally chunks people's HP at the same time. Love this class balance don't want to rework classes so there balanced nope you'll just add more OP skills to the OP classes an give useless skills to the underpowered ones.

 

Honestly I'm done hoping kuno stops being a shitty version on ninja. I'm using some exchange coupons an quiting kuno after see this patch. PA has zero interest in fixing game balance so now I'm a awakening ninja main with my gear copied to a succ wizard. Cause hoping for competent game balance from PA is a waste of time.

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Last Edit : Mar 19, 2021, 10:03 (UTC)
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On: Mar 18, 2021, 18:48 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

Honestly I'm done hoping kuno stops being a shitty version on ninja. I'm using some exchange coupons an quiting kuno after see this patch. PA has zero interest in fixing game balance so now I'm a awakening ninja main with my gear copied to a succ wizard. Cause hoping for competent game balance from PA is a waste of time.

Well its up to you. I dont think kuno is in such bad shape to be left. Yes ninja has more powerful skills but kuno has faster and more consistent dmg, has great mobilirty too, cooldowns are well managed if you rotate them right. What I mean is if you like kuno, play her. There is always better class in something. If change to ninja, are you gona complain that striker is better grinder and change again ? Or witch/wizard been more valubale in mass PvP? I prefered awaken kuno above all my other chars for grinding because she cant die and dont need potions, no matter the lowest income. For example. So measure the things, and if you still think that ninja will please you go on.

Last Edit : Mar 19, 2021, 17:18 (UTC)
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On: Mar 19, 2021, 10:03 (UTC), Written by IWalkAlone

Well its up to you. I dont think kuno is in such bad shape to be left. Yes ninja has more powerful skills but kuno has faster and more consistent dmg, has great mobilirty too, cooldowns are well managed if you rotate them right. What I mean is if you like kuno, play her. There is always better class in something. If change to ninja, are you gona complain that striker is better grinder and change again ? Or witch/wizard been more valubale in mass PvP? I prefered awaken kuno above all my other chars for grinding because she cant die and dont need potions, no matter the lowest income. For example. So measure the things, and if you still think that ninja will please you go on.

I played kuno one of the worst grinding classes in this game an the class that always an will always be a fraction of what ninja is for 3 years. An ninja and kuno play style is the exact same, ninja just does it better always has always will. So no I will not be rolling to striker for grinding cause I like the stealth assassination gameplay. I've only been choosing to play the shitty  version of ninja cause I don't like playing a character that doesn't match my gender. But after living in ninja's shadow for 3 years hopping something would change just to realize that PA really does have no interest in overhauling old classes, an just plan on shiting out half finished new classes to encourage character bound item sales, I'm done pointless struggling in this game waiting for something that will never happen. 

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Last Edit : Mar 21, 2021, 04:25 (UTC)
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fact, I think kuno needs a review of many skills, not just the basic ones.

An example would be a lunatic discus, its FG is a joke it does not last a second, even ghost step should be only iframe with greater durability and not have that useless SA,Has no sense.Classes like guardian have only iframe in skill equivalent to ghost step

I think I'd rather leave this game with such devs they surely don't even know what they're doing 

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 06:55 (UTC)
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On: Mar 14, 2021, 16:07 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

Delighted blast would be good but Delighted blast SA last 0.5s which is absolutely useless and is a meme considering if you let the full skill play out without canceling out of it the animaton for the skill last 3s. So why they only made the SA last 0.5s makes zero sense to me oh wait I know why cause reee fuck kuno should just rolled ninja already cause it cores skills don't suck balls.

What do you mean Kunos core skills suck balls? Core HMS and Wheel are good core skills. You get a fg on one of your nukes, or you have a protected stiff every 3s. I don't care what the OP says. HMS works just fine.


We have two great core skills, the other four are useless. CSD is a literal meme skill that has zero use; S. Decap fg is only mildly useful for pve (who pves as an awaken ninja???); Drastic Measure is a meme skill that you can use as situational SA by holding the charge and canceling when you're ready to, but would never use otherwise, you don't want to attack with it since it would waste a float, and are prolly better off locking anyway; MI would be good, but the SA duration doesn't last long enough for it to be useful, and by virtue FG Serpent or Float Shower are just too good to pass up for what little benefit SA MI would bring. With the now forced transition stance Serpent, the core skill for it is almost mandatory.

 

On: Mar 17, 2021, 12:52 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

Facts. Was looking an the new awakening skills an kuno's is completely unneeded. It a 1s SA an the skill does low pathetic tickle damage, but ninja lol ninja gets an iframe stiffen giving awakening ninja 5 protected CC now to awakening kuno one. An ninja new awakening skills does stupid amounts of damage as well. Kuno forever shitty version of ninja.

We have 1 protected cc in our kit, 2 with BSR. Core skill brings it to 3 if you pick Serp and use BSR Shower, otherwise stays at 2.

Recap: That's smokescreen, BSR shower, and Core Serpent for 3, or Smokescreen and Core Shower for 2.  Haven't I already had this argument with you before? Stop spreading BS. Another thing - Flashing Light was never a protected cc, even on labs. The first slash, which was the stiff, was unprotected. They removed the first slash/stiffen when they added it to the main servers. The stiff conflicted with the skill's design to begin with, and even if it was a protected stiffen, it would be bad.

 

On: Mar 18, 2021, 18:48 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

Been playing around with it an it really is useless in most cases I have another SA I can use if all mine are already on CD. But unless your a dogshit kuno player you won't need the extra SA an ya the damage is pathetic so using it for damage is pointless. However, I will say I noticed the removed the stiffen on ninja new awakening skill but it still 100x better than kuno's.

 

Ninja's is an iframe for one so great another iframe added to the ninja kit, so now ninja has 5 iframes to kuno's 1 iframe that on an 18s CD.  An the damage is game breaking OP with it 100% crit rate an while it accuracy is low the skill debuffs the target evasion by 6%. So if you get a 4% evasion debuff addon you can apply a 10% evasion debuff that basically makes ninja accuracy struggles non exist now. So kuno gets a SA she doesn't actually need ninja gets another skill that makes him immune to damage an literally chunks people's HP at the same time. Love this class balance don't want to rework classes so there balanced nope you'll just add more OP skills to the OP classes an give useless skills to the underpowered ones.

 

Honestly I'm done hoping kuno stops being a shitty version on ninja. I'm using some exchange coupons an quiting kuno after see this patch. PA has zero interest in fixing game balance so now I'm a awakening ninja main with my gear copied to a succ wizard. Cause hoping for competent game balance from PA is a waste of time.

Five iframes to your one? You have to be joking. Both of your lvl 57 rabams are iframes. Flash Slash is an iframe. Concealment is an iframe. Ghost Greeting is an iframe. Blockjump is an iframe. Oni Shadow is an iframe, Sinew Cut is an iframe. My god, man, do you not experiment with your own skills when they do updates to them? They added the ability to see defense effects via the new defense icon system, so things you might not have thought had protections do have protections on them. And if none of these work for you, then why do you think ours are so much better? If your Ghost Step doesn't work, then our Ghost Step doesn't work. If your block jump fails to iframe, ours will fail in the same exact scenario and way (i.e. same attack and ping conditions.)

 

Flashing Light is honestly great, but man, you are just bitching up a storm about it for no reason. It might be a good skill, but it has its own fair share of issues. The attack itself is designed to allow you to escape and deal high damage, but it has collision on its movement and can't be camera controlled, so it doesn't work as well as it should. It also has an eva cut on it, but because the skill moves you backwards, it can put you at an awkward attack range, which makes it more difficult to combo effectively with.

 

It feels like it was supposed to be a combo ender, but the debuff conflicts with that and makes you want to use it in the middle of a combo to boost the damage of your other skills. It's also not a 100% crit chance skill. It's a 50% crit chance skill, so you need 5 crit and a 30% addon buff or 20% addon + serp crit buff going to hit 100% crit chance. If 10% eva cut was enough to end all our accuracy troubles, then you would think Mach Explosion or Seamless would be better dps skills than they are, but they aren't. Musas have a permanent uptime accuracy buff now, but that still doesn't fix their accuracy/class issues either. It also doesn't damage or iframe at the same time, so quit your bitching. 

On: Mar 19, 2021, 17:17 (UTC), Written by Vulpin

I played kuno one of the worst grinding classes in this game an the class that always an will always be a fraction of what ninja is for 3 years. An ninja and kuno play style is the exact same, ninja just does it better always has always will. So no I will not be rolling to striker for grinding cause I like the stealth assassination gameplay. I've only been choosing to play the shitty  version of ninja cause I don't like playing a character that doesn't match my gender. But after living in ninja's shadow for 3 years hopping something would change just to realize that PA really does have no interest in overhauling old classes, an just plan on shiting out half finished new classes to encourage character bound item sales, I'm done pointless struggling in this game waiting for something that will never happen. 

Of course it's a fraction of what Ninja is... it hasn't been close to being the same class since preawakening days nor has it ever tried to fill the same roles since. Awk Ninja was always a burst assassin with small aoe while Awk Kuno was a sustained dps, big aoe brawler. Kuno was made to do less damage, but exert a lot more control over a bigger area. But with the rework in 2018, she lost the ability to brawl with people cuz they took a lot of her protection away. Then they introduced succ, which is just better in every way compared to current awk Kuno. And now we have succession wiz, which can do just about everything both our classes can do, but way better. 
 

Playstyle isn't even close to the same thing, unless you really want to stretch that sharing certain skills, having an awakening filled with skills either being useless or being made useless by previous reworks, and having the same cc-first-then-combo-to-kill loop makes it so the playstyle is the same. Awk Kuno naturally plays way more defensively than awk Ninja, who is very aggressive in current meta. Either way, I do think awk Kuno needs some love and some kind of rework or major buff. But since you rerolled off her, I hope you figure out that Ninja doesn't always have it better, that it isn't this giga-protected class you think it is, and that it shares a lot of the same core issues that awk Kuno experiences.

 

I hope they expand on core skills more when they add the succession versions, or rework some of them to actually be good. Just having core skills for main skills and not the branch/flow skills is stupid, and currently just feels like they should have just implemented the best ones into the awakening skills by default. You wouldn't pick anything but the best option for your class anyway.

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