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DP should not be a nearly useless stat in pvp.
Oct 22, 2022, 00:22 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 31, 2023, 11:15 (UTC)
# 112
On: Mar 31, 2023, 09:33 (UTC), Written by Anvorka

Issue for DP DR is the fact that you start to tank when you approach 600 DR. Problem is, all the gear and crystals we have give more evasion than DR. So if you want to start to be tanky, you have to trade your whole gear for DR accessories.
And then, when you have a certain amount of DR, you start to be tanky. But we still have an issue, human DMG that hard counter raw DR, and it really hard counter it.

Other issue, Evasion players stack DR & EVA meanwhile a DR player will stack on DR and the EVA will be useless. PA need to change that.
Plus I also think DR buffs from skill should be in % and not flat numbers. Or EVA buff need to be flat number too.

Human damage doesn't counter DR any more than AP does, in fact it counters it less since 1 HD gives less damage than 1 AP.
Also eva buffs are just as flat as DR buffs are. 20% evasion ain't increase your evasion by 20%, it simply gives you 20% dodge chance basically the equivalent of +100 evasion.

Yeah it's problematic that eva players can also stack DR, but just look at the incompetent devs, they actually hard buffed eva players with the new region. They are totally clueless and have zero knowledge about the game they develop.

Also most players build full AP, and not many palyers build accuracy since it's much harder to do so, that's why eva feels tankier, since not many players have way to counter it. And you physically can't build enough accuracy rn to counter a full eva memer player, unless you play with something like sage.

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Last Edit : Mar 31, 2023, 11:47 (UTC)
# 113

XX % evasion buffs/passives are actually some of the most op ones in the game on right classes, ngl.

Last Edit : Mar 31, 2023, 13:05 (UTC)
# 114

Actually new region crystals and gloves is straight huge buff for tankiness. We don't have any new good offensive crystals but a lot OP defensive ones.
2x new crystal slots and New crystals(4 hooms, 2x frozen cold + 1x new dp crystaL) compared to old 4x hooms gives
+380dp, +59 eva, +42 dr, +2% special atk eva.
new gloves is +300hp (set effect). At duo = c20 boss, at tet = +6dr, +8eva compared to current c20.

So overall we will have like free V centaurs and 2x pen cadry ring just from new crystals.
also + 780hp, which is huge and additional dr/eva from gloves.
Just hp is like 15% more tankiness.
Eva classes should be super tanky, with that dr and eva buff. Probably unkillable at low ap build even with few accu accesories and accuracy offhand(because of dr and hp buffs).

At full ap (301 ap+) build with eva offhand they will have tankiness like with centaur + 2x cadry build now and 15% more tankiness from HP. Probably will feel like current 260-269 ap carpet builds. So rly hard to kill :) but will still have 301ap+ dmg :)

All dr classes will be tankier too, like Current valk tankiness because of dr and hp buffs and valk will be super tanky. Unkillable by 1 person probably.

Ah and with new defensive crystals that are just a lot better in almost all pvp cases then for example +10 human dmg, most people with swap from rbf to new defensive crystals(4x hooms + 2x frozen cold) so average person will be a lot more tanky and at the same time will have less AP.
Imo it will change this game.

Last Edit : Apr 4, 2023, 16:51 (UTC)
# 115
On: Oct 22, 2022, 00:22 (UTC), Written by Dimitreus

Title: DP should not be a nearly useless stat in pvp.
Family Name: Stregain

Region (NA/EU): NA

Suggestion/Comments: AP way outscales DP in pvp, especially at the far higher end of AP brackets. The one-shot meta is kind of old and pvp would feel better if it were slowed down just a little bit and allowed for a comeback or two in fights.

Mostly it is so true. But only mostly. Some specific classes can barely hit others. Not all classes have so extreme damage. On the other side, some classes have an uncomparably better potential for being tanky. So, it's hard to comment on this.

This is such an unbalanced field of the game.

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Frixs
Last Edit : Apr 5, 2023, 01:42 (UTC)
# 116

I would be interested in seeing how the meta and balance changes if ap and dp brackets were made pve only.

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Octagon
Last Edit : Apr 5, 2023, 07:34 (UTC)
# 117
On: Apr 5, 2023, 01:42 (UTC), Written by Voxous

I would be interested in seeing how the meta and balance changes if ap and dp brackets were made pve only.

You accidently used the word "intresting" instead of "AIDS".

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Hnnie
Last Edit : Apr 5, 2023, 14:14 (UTC)
# 118
On: Oct 22, 2022, 02:51 (UTC), Written by Alodylis

2 or 3 combo meta sounds better.

how do u propose to 2-3 combo classes u cant catch and u cant run away from? 

Last Edit : May 31, 2023, 07:28 (UTC)
# 119
On: Oct 23, 2022, 07:37 (UTC), Written by HouseOfTalenvard

I'm a 400 DP Valkyrie, which is supposed to be a tank-style class, and yet I get 1-2 shot, especially in RBF, and especially against Ranger.

Because you need to be more focused on the actual DR stat itself more than then DP bracket. 401 DP with 390 DR is way less effective than a 401 DP with 575-600 DR. Find ways in game to increase your actual "all DR" stat. or All Evasion on the opposite end. 

Last Edit : May 31, 2023, 10:34 (UTC)
# 120

DP stat is not useless in pvp. People who write such things are weird .. you look only at at AP/DP. There are also hidden stats which are much more important than you AP/DP shown under I button. You can have 710 GS and your build will be terrible. Dunno if OP have ever met duo cadry Valk or other DR class. You will never ever one combo them ok maybe in full AP pure glass cannon build you have chance, but u will die instantly from  his teammates if they only look at u. So this build will not work. Another problem with DP stat are potions you can increase meaning of DR, dmg red. rate but what if someone will start using whale tendon potions ? Now what they will be in 20s immortal stance ? 

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