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#Sage
Lobbying for Succession Sage Rework
Oct 28, 2022, 22:22 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 00:35 (UTC)
# 11
On: Oct 30, 2022, 08:15 (UTC), Written by Despins

Please stop abusing the Forum Tags.

I don't think anybody understand where those complaints are about.  Succ Sage seems to be super strong at the moment.

He's only good on large scale lol, not 1v1 small scale pve

Most geared players play succ sage so obviously he would seem strong

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 00:36 (UTC)
# 12
On: Oct 30, 2022, 12:59 (UTC), Written by WhySoSeeryus

would you prefer for it to not even be good with highendish gear in its presumed strong content? coz theres thats reality as well for some classes.

Did you even read what he said? What he stated was purposedly to nerf large scale while buffing other aspects so he become more "balanced" rather than a large scale machine

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 03:45 (UTC)
# 13

Everyone saying he's in a good spot, obviously don't know anything about sage. The only thing Succession sage is good out is third partying, and that's quite OP when no one is paying attention to the sage in the corner. Once you get focused, that's it for you. His PvE is not in a good spot. He is below average tbh, compared to other classes. Also why do I have to be 720 gs just to play a class decently?

Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 04:56 (UTC)
# 14

I have 730gs and I can't feel my gear. I need to put stones on people to see the damage. Archers 405 dp kill in one shot. The class clearly lacks slowdown debuffs. To remove damage to the rift. And give the sage at least some recovery of hp. Why does the zerker have a bunch of heals and does not spend stamina?


PS. Sorry for my english.

Last Edit : Nov 7, 2022, 13:17 (UTC)
# 15
On: Nov 5, 2022, 04:55 (UTC), Written by Flays

I have 730gs and I can't feel my gear. I need to put stones on people to see the damage. Archers 405 dp kill in one shot. The class clearly lacks slowdown debuffs. To remove damage to the rift. And give the sage at least some recovery of hp. Why does the zerker have a bunch of heals and does not spend stamina?


PS. Sorry for my english.

This will sound super negative but it's not, its just info with my insights, if anyone were to find these interesting:

The class has:

No attack/cast/movespeed slows like everyone else (when he's time themed) 

No cancel skill (to weave in between combos) 

No secondary movement skill (it's rift or running, no sidesteps, no blinks, no dodges, no teleports or portals)

No flow between majority of his kit (there's not even that many either) 

The smallest kit (you could take the space time theme in so many different directions) 

The longest cast times (no time-related theme here either, with fast forwarding his longest cast times) 

No sustain skills, no undoing wounds or rewinding time here either

ebuff reliance (that other classes have just succeeded in moving away from) 

A giant hitbox on his ONE meandering movement skill, which gets him killed if he uses it on CD.

Being realistic what's the point in moving on reaction from a threat as fast as you can only to die from your original location anyway. Doesn't sound fit for purpose, and this happens to other classes movements, but because he has no other options to reposition and riftchain lasts SO LONG it is by for the worse occurance of character location not being updated. Some of the clips people share of dying to a skill 30 foot away from its hitzone are hilarious. 

You can't grind anywhere past Elvia Orcs because you eat too much damage in SA (which succ sage no has an abundance of for no good reason) you must fully commit to the longest cast times in the game and eat more damage which you can't slow down, recover or negate, you can't slow anyones attack speed down to try to help you stand up for yourself when every other class can, we can't change our mind to cancel out of our skills, Succ Sage used to be seen as one of the heaviest hitters (and rightly so considering the slowness otherwise what's the point) - but now with horrendous power creep, practically every other class in the game is running our level of damage and more at 3x our speed without relying on their ebuff. 

Ebuff spam means our skills aren't as meaty by default, to pander to having Ebuff up so often, this forces ebuff reliance and creates a sour play experience.

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Last Edit : Jan 5, 2023, 18:32 (UTC)
# 16

I'm gonna be honest with you man, I didn't read anything about this post but would love a Sage rework so yes :)

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Last Edit : Nov 5, 2022, 20:13 (UTC)
# 17
On: Nov 5, 2022, 19:23 (UTC), Written by YourVikingDad

I'm gonna be honest with you man, I didn't read anything about this post but would love a Sage rework so yes :)

Oi, I wrote the TL:DR just for you goddammit xD

Thank you for your input :D

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Last Edit : Nov 7, 2022, 13:38 (UTC)
# 18

Clearly, Pearl Abyss decided to leave Succession Sage with inherintly weak and slow abilities to be compensated for with having a higher E-Buff uptime. If this is the case, then our E-Buff should be turned into a normal 3 minute buff and the kit gets boosted in return.


Sage often feels like killing a few targets in one go and then die because we have no way to disengage or hold our ground. In my opinion, Rift Chain needs more defensive buffs; be it a simple buff from 20 to 40 DR or disabling special attack damage during rift chain (for example, inable to receive back attack damage and crits)

Another topic already mentioned above, is how Succession Sage has no slows. Guardian and Awakening Witchards both have strong slows to compensate for their own slow attacks, so they can bring opponents down to their level. Illusion Expansion was never a strong slow, but at least it was one. Please either return the lightning slow to Spear Bolt or restore Illusion Expansion.

Last Edit : Nov 11, 2022, 19:31 (UTC)
# 19

I just wanted to integrate Reset more regularly and more organically into the kit, where it engages you and provides persistent, continuous value. Instead of being both barely there as a mechanic AND overpowered due to its interaction with ebuff.

If anyone has any alternative ideas please feel free to make suggestions and share the post if you feel it appropriate.

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Last Edit : Nov 25, 2022, 14:11 (UTC)
# 20

Succ still one of, if not the only class making hard sacrifices in content across the board - but big gains in RBF. 

Meanwhile PvP meta classes are smashing the silver per hour and flexing in RBF anyway thanks to strong kits and utility. What a narrow play experience. 

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