Please increase the amount of crowcoins for bartering aswell.  With the silverincrease of the T5 materials, the costs per crowcoin increased (so it was a slight nerf to this in my opinion). Also it is such a p.i.t.a. farming crowcoins in general :)

KR got a current fix the week after currents were removed for them. We still have yet to get that fix, as we still have effects of current, even if the UI object was removed.

The 5 min channel CD that KR got 2 or 3 weeks ago would be nice to get too.

Except that it wasn't. They just removed the current indicator from the user interface.  Current still exists.  Very easy to prove:

Roll up your boat's sail and start sailing away.  Boat will hit fast spots and slow spots.  That should NOT happen with your sail rolled up.

Alll i care is lifeskil lvl so i dump 300m loss a day for t1 mats stacks becouse barter take tooo long and i canot  lose time i hope 1 day PA wil make change for barter and better be prepared

Hi All,

I have really enjoyed bartering it is a fun part of the game. I have read all of the comments and thought i would put my one cents worth in. I am new to bartering but i can see its flaws and it is quite depressing to look at. Bartering is in a poor state (silver wise anyway) as is most life skills compared to grinding. 

I agree that BDO is known for being an action MMO so i realise that grinding will always make more money than any other form of content. There would be a riot if it wasnt:) But one billion silver per day compared to one billion silver per hour seems a huge discrepancy...

I always believe that if you come to your boss with a problem come with an answer. The community in this forum have given many solutions but it seems as if our bosses at PA doesnt want to act on any of them???

Here is a recap:

-Tone down currents to 20 max. They are super annoying while sailing. (Imagine if your mount on land was randomly slowed by 50% because of mud.) - Removed so good stuff!

-Increase the value of all barter materials.  - done +50% but no where near enough. i feel that it needs to be doubled again to make it worth people comming back to the content

-Make margoria coin runs worth more. It takes more time and effort to navigate these. Agreed and dont limit them to 4 barters make them 6 at least like all the other tier 5 barters at double the value as it is now. If you look at how long it takes to go that far it is not worth your time...

-Sailor management needs a UI overhaul. We need to be able to have presets, the ability to lock sailors so you can't fire them by accident and be able to sort them by type/level/stats.

-The current system of hiring sailors is tedious and annoying. Increase the cost of hiring a sailor to 10-20m and allow us to just pick the type we want. Agreed i have not hired a sailor i have wanted yet!

Please remove the 4h barter reset delay.- allow me to play the game when and how i want to not restricted to a time limit that is disabling. People have lives so why not let them do the content in a timely maner when and how they want to! There are times i finish my bartering way before the time limit alows me to start another run so what do i do? fish? grind? gather? How about i barter that is the content i want to do!

Redo the ship system so that there is a progressive improvement over time and people aren't just immediately jumping for the frigate / carrack etc... Like, it should be a rewarding experience to upgrade your ships but instead it's a painful process and you're better off just saving 3bn silver for the frigate and go from there. BTW the frigate is worth more than 3bn for the amount of time spent managing the crafting of it and so help you if you have to gather all of those logs by hand which is why few people actually craft them. - halved the cost of making and buying the sailboat and frigate.

Cost of everything combined makes bartering not worth the investment but if parley and speed is fixed, PERHAPS it might make it worthwhile. Why not use trading material that you can buy from traders in Vielia or other cities so it doesnt remove the material that people have made for the market? You can then control the price and make it so eveyone can get into Bartering! Some barter 1 levels only cost under 10mil for the ten transactions even a lot less but others are over 30 to 40mil if not more?

Decrease the weight of all barter items by 100LT (This would allow for a couple extra items to be transported) - especially for new players!

 Create a Barter node at Oquillas Eye

 Add a Storage Keeper to Quillas Eye so Barter items for Margoria Barters could be stored there -Done!

 Add additional higher level Barter nodes across the upper tier of islands IE: Crows Nest towards Oquillas eye and beyond.

 Decrease the cooldown for Barter refresh by half (Please remove it!!!!!!)

 Set the minimum Crow Coin exchange for T5 items to 100 Crow Coins. Traveling to Hakoven for single digit amounts of coins is a waste of time and resources.

 Should a ship be sunk and need to be recalled allow barter items to be saved. It is bad enough having regen sailors and repair ship.

 Add a feature for daily challenge rewards that would allow for a choice of normal item or one that pertains to Bartering, Ship Ugrades or Ocean content

It's ussles that u increased the number exchange per barter item level if u dont have the parlay to complete all of them . Suggestion it's to remove the parlay and reduce some weight from trading items . Even with a season char u can make 400 to 500 mill per hr grinding . If u remove parlay u can make max 700 mill in one barter by selling all the items and this if u have 12 routes and will take more then 2h. So i dont see the reason to not remove the parlay if u rly wanna revive bartering . Btw to have 12 routes u need to make 20k exchanges and u need a carrack.

Please for the love of god buff these ridiculous "special" barters pretty please with a cherry on top.

When I can get more coins from a single Margoria trade, there is a problem...
Specially when you get these kind of shit trades 3 times in a row, while everyone else around you posts screenshots of 1800-2000 coin trades... (I actually had a barter worth nearly 1.5k crow coins and it was so rewarding but i have had rubish since. Plus one sunset black stone is a slap in the face. why not make it one sunbset black stone per 10g bar you trade?)

How fast will you start grind orcs and make over 1.5bil/2hours in orcs?
1st day, lvl 60 on a season.
2nd day, some trash spots grinding, Rifts and finish full PEN tuvala.

3rd you, can pretty much start grinding orcs and outfarm any barter dude.
If you 100% out of box newbie, with 0 knowlage in BDO, this may take few weeks but still its not months.

Doesnt seem fair????

Change barter refresh costs to a standard 50.

This is a long post so I won't be replying to everything, just some details that need to be commented on (Also PA's formatting is very frustrating):

In the current state, barterers do make more than 1b per day, we even can make more than 1b per hour but there's a catch. The biggest issue with barter profits is liquidation of crow coins. The recent Khan's Heart change has significantly hurt barterer's profits as before you could easily just spend 80k on a Khan's Heart and sell it for 9.9b making about 113.5k profit per crow coin. Now that everyone not only gets a Khan's Heart for free, but they can also just sell it to the market for profit. The next most reliable ways to liquidate our crow coins are either very low silver value or are somewhat tedious to liquidate thousands of crow coins. We can simply buy Manos Accessories (Easy liquidation bad silver), buying Memory Fragments and Caphras (Memory Frags are better silver at 3.5m for 20cc, Caphras not so much. But harder to liquidate due to being limited to only 55 per week). Elixir of Regeneration (Better silver, no daily limit but niche market where the only people who buy them are people who can also make them themselves). And finally our best value and somewhat better liquidation than most but being awfully tedious to process are Manos Stones giving us 250k silver per crow coin. You could argue crow coins are worth more than 250k each but this post is long enough already to explain the logic behind that. 

The solution that barterers need is better items to spend our crow coins on for profit and easy to liquidate. Raw silver value from T5s is nice for more casual barterers but that's not a good reference for barter profits (You don't look at how much cooks make from Pickled Vegetables and other casual meals). Again, I'm not against increasing barter profits, I just don't think hyperfocusing on the raw value of T5s will ever truly solve the barter profit problem and would like more attention on our crow coin value and liquidation process.

This is a double edged sword. While it would be nice to barter more, removing Parley would not only remove the point of even leveling up Barter but it would increase the time spent Bartering which is already very long by itself. It would also significantly diminish the efforts of high level barterers who spent years bartering to earn their Guru+ levels. I'm all for catch up mechanics but the removal of Parley would be way too significant. I'm more concerned with the added pressure of feeling like I'm missing out by not doing all possible barters which would add a significant amount of extra time required to finish my daily barters, I'd much prefer the current Parley system where I can spend 2-4 hours bartering then go do something else without feeling like I'm missing out. 

I'm against this change as currently the Margoria barter route mostly avoids sea monster habitats. It would be so frustrating grinding Fleet and having some random barterer messing up your pulls because they were AFK sailing in a straight line to their next barter point. As tempting as it would be to suggest adding a barter route that extends all the way to O'draxxia, I'd much prefer keep those waters for future sea monster habitats as we need more content that's close to wharf. 

These are all good changes that I support. Anything that wasn't mentioned either I feel indifferent about or they have already been or will be addressed in future updates.  Another change I'd like to see is a buff to the Old Moon Guild Carrack. Currently if it's not offering Sap it's most likely a loss. My current Old Moon Guild Carrack barter for example is: 1500x Beer (4,830,000 silver) for 343x Bag of Muddy Water (857,500 silver before tax at max price). The fact that I haven't seen people even mention Old Moon Guild Carrack with it's obvious flaws just hurts. 

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