Yea, the issue with body thrown is prevalent.

Current version is  someone sees another grinding decides they want the spot takes out specific essential mobs for higher chance of drops then starts messing with the rotation till said person flags ( switching server could mean 10 min cd if the guild ones are taken of spot that the person wants). Since the person who wants to remove the current grinder, they drop all gear an run at them triggering a bigger penalty for the active grinder an said person repeats this till the grinder is negative karma hence body throwin as they are repeating the same thing over an over without needing to hit the mobs since one hit = red other person attack back usually they run at them an repeat it till said person is negative

For example with your idea i can see that someone wants a spot they will disturb mobs (some places you pull mobs together to burst them down) , to instigate the person to flag and repeatedly do this until said person isnt able to do anything then instigator take the spot them sealves ,certianly your idea is riskier than the current system but my guess people would work this limitation out fast an abuse it unfortunately 

So far, there are 2 topics here that could work.

1.] Abolish the 'downgrade' of gears for red players and replace it with a 'debt' system. Red players can still visit cities. But pay things at a cost.

2.] A 'band' system that can activate (for Life Skillers Only) -- please scroll up. and go back to page 6. PVE Zone will be disabled at all costs.

Is it okay if I can make a new post with these 2 ideas? These ideas could get lost in here. Also in the new post, we can refine it further.

Will that be okay?

I dont see why not , you could also have them under a different rule set for a server an can be expanded with demand

Karma Bombing is currently a big problem,. I will try to see how the 2 topics can help stop karma bombing as well. I need to do some thinking before I can create a completely new post. Okay?

I will use google doc and write down something and remind to implement something that can also stop karma-bomb.

You are so naive. Why are you listening to the "PvP" player? Have you ever been karma bombed? Strange never happend to me and i play for 3 years. If you have problems with playerkiller try another Servergroup. Stop trying to change that game, i know it's not perfect. But your ideas are mostly a middle finger to us PvE player and lifeskiller. And many players are abusing the system also with guild war, but no one is talking about that. The main problem is people have no manners, they don't respect other player who are first on spot.

karmabomber detected

The ignorant calls the other naive...

Why is it so hard to think, before typing? Instead to listen the classic "Thief yells: Catch the thief."

There is no need to kill mob stealer. First talk with them, tell them you were first on a spot. In most cases they leave. If they don't leave try to outgrind them or feed them to mobs or declare war or change spot or channel. I understand you are pissed and want to punish them, but don't be dumb and kill them and go red. A grindspot it's not worth to go red. Don't let the intruder win. Sometimes the mob stealer are starting to kill you, if they realising you won't leave and these people shouldn't lose Karma? In my opinion the grinder who was first on a spot is never the bad person, it's always the intruder/griefer. And there other types of intruder, the DFS intruder and the playerkiller. Every player has the right to refuse a DFS request. If you accept and you lose, you have to leave. I always refuse DSF. It's not my fault they kill over and over again. I wont leave the spot, because i was first there. I won't leave not even on Arsha. Karma bombing on Arsha sure. ;) It can be so easy, just leave the grinder alone. An here some tips to avoid trouble, check the grind spot before you start. Make sure the spot is empty before you start. If there is already a player, you can ask how long or look for another spot or change channel. Never annoy the grinder.

I like that idea where you can activate it and deactivate it kinda like marni's time but the issue is lifeskill also involves skinning birds or whatever. You're not just chopping wood or gathering fish meaning this idea would be more tricky to implement without it being used as a means to circumvent open world PvP in a PvE environment.

Maybe when you toggle it on a few things can happen...

1. You cannot be in a party or platoon

2. You cannot earn combat or skill XP, exception are shai related skills that convert gathering to said XP

3. You cannot engage in PvP combat

4. You cannot harm enemies that are not gatherable for resources

5. There is a CD after turning it on and another CD after turning it off

6. Cannot be used in Arsha

7. Cannot be used during war (Protection status is deactivated automatically during war time, must change server)

8. Cannot be used while in combat (must wait 15 seconds after the last damage inflicted or recieved)

(ldea) 9. Must be enabled in safe zones (Reasoning is that you can't just toggle this when you encounter a red player or whatever. Alternatively there could be a 10 second timer that counts down to activate it?

Have I missed anything?

Thank you Thank you! I will do my best to include what you say. But please be aware that I must keep PVX as balance as possible. I can't make the community divide further.

Thank you again!