Dear new overlords,

After reading the GM post on new policy I'm left a little confused on what constitutes a "Macro".  I'm sure there is an intended level of vagueness to offer a wide scope under your discretion.   However the term "macro" can be used to describe functions with a vast desparity between use cases and nefarious/benign.  You also mention software/hardware capable of doing macros, there is a big difference between something like AHK and razer synapse/corsair icue in terms of capabilities in producing something more botlike then a macro.


Below are 3 scenarios

I think most people would agree that this game can be pretty APM intensive so after a grind session it could be nice to gather something like pilgrims haven or herbs with a "macro" that simply repeats the 'R' key as a player navigates around.   Lets be frank about the player time investment in this game, its massive and manually pressing one button repeatedly every 3 seconds (spamming the shit out of it to animation cancel the gather) for like 5 hours can hurt your hand.  Its borderline inhumane to subject the playerbase to this kind of repetive strain injury machine.   In this specific use case the player is not AFK and is manually interacting the the game the entire time, just without aching hands.

Another similar scenario, that would utilitze the same macro but is 'AFK' -- a 'macro' repeating the 'R' key while on a cluster of wild herbs.   a player can sit on a location gathering up to 4 herbs per spawn cycle for hours on end with 1 key press.  Obviously this is more nefarious then either of the other scenarios.

A third scenario, using a macro to drift your horse because your too lazy or your hands hurt from grinding.  A horse ride can be a nice little break for your hands if you macro'd  drift+instant accel.



Honestly i would just like a ruling by GM's about these scenarios - mainly the first one.   I assume the macro detection software is intended to target full automation.   Please dont give me carpal tunnel pearl abyss.  

A message to the zoomers who are thinking about leaving comments - If your 18 and working at mcdonalds with the built up angst of 1000 condensed emo kids...   Your diet of chicken tendies and ramen will leave you riddled with inflamation and screaming about your hands in 15 years.

Get a back-up keyboard. 

Would like ,in depth explanation on what exactly is considered a macro,and third party program aid/exploit what ever,is it a macro if i link Shift+Z to a mouse key ,in the mouse program,is it considered ,making a chain of skills ,executable by a single mouse ,or keyboard click(that one definitely is),if i place the skill on a slot,and use my mouse to execute it ,by its extra bottons,is that considered a thirt party software exploit?What exactly are we talking here about sinse ,most keyboards and mouses have their own programs to work ,if we use them will they flag our accounts when it is software required for the work of the hardware.Will i have to un-install my Razer Synapse ,which controls my headphones as well.What if some one is missing a finger and needs such aid to play the game?Also nice bait announcement.We need more clear statement than this ,we have been asking Kakao for years now,and never got a clear statement ,i had guild member's getting banned and un-banned ,for mouse programs.Is a mess ,in its current state.

You guys know what macros are, you just described them. Kakoa has responded on this in the past.and why would you have to delete your mouse software, if you don't use it to bind multiple keys then there's no issue. I'm sure the chances of getting caught are slim. But there's still that chance. 

Bruh if oyu use corsair iCue or razor mouse software, you are ok, no matter what macors you use. It is not detectable anyway, there is no way server can tell if you clciked spacebar ten times or your mouse click did it for you. Besides things like space bar spam, repeating clicking etc. is not big of an issue.

Problems would a cause sophisticated macro coding or software, that would automatize your game play. Meaning it would actively fish for you while you are afk, removing 3 minute wiating period, automating trading, automating grinding, that sort of things.

I don't know why people say that, it is detectable and even if it wasn't it's fairly easy to detect patterns of keypresses.

I'll give you the official answer I had way back then (from Kakao tho): All maccro are forbidden in every way, shape and form. You might get away with it as long as they'll allowed it but keep in mind that it is bannable and that you could get ban for it, regardless of what your maccro does.

To answer your question as to "What constitutes a punishable macro?", the short answer would be "any", as described in this FAQ post.

1 action as input must result in 1 action in-game, anything other than that is considered a macro, even if spam-click gather.

If playing Black Desert makes you concerned about a carpal tunnel, try changing the keybinds or position your hands on your desktop and mouse properly.

So,we still have no clear statement .Nice......

 Most likely this is not the area to ask this question and they also getting ready for a huge data dump to them. Not every company replies in one day hell even my company HR takes a more then 24hrs to reply things.

But most the time whats not allowed is a 3rd party software that is controlling your char and automating things when you dont need to do anything or you dont need to be at your keyboard.

If say you did keybindings to a macro like Shift and F and Q to fire off when you push a button to do a combo however have to keep hiting it most likely thats not something care about but again I am not the company need to wait and see what they say...... but with most games they only care about if your macro doesnt require you to sit there pusjing a button and you can jsut walk away and it controlls everything simlar to botting 

Also might be better to direct questions to the customer portal or discord

Appreciate the constructive responses.  I will ask on their discord.

 They apparently can detect your hardware and flag you for monitoring or further scrutinization irrc.   They can detect patterns if they want to pour resources into it, and thats why they are flagging people based on hardware or w.e.  With corsair software you can do things like put in random delays between clicking wich if you were generous with would put you under a false positive threshold.

I would assume something like 1 button spamming wouldnt lead to action, and that its intended for more intricate 'bot' like macro's.   I was just hoping to get a more human response then some all encompasing generic phrasing.

I do change up keybinds  during longer sessions.  I try my best to hold good posture, but I would need a new desk for perfect posture (i have long alien arms).   I dont have carpal tunnel, but i certainly dont want to not be able to game when im old and decrepid.   For those people who sit behind a computer most of the work day,  unnecesarily repetive and mundane keystrokes are just... something i would rather eliminate.