also just to copypast from their operational guidelines
The wording "Extreme macro" users lends itself more to the botting side of elaborate macros and not a simple spam R macro. Wether or not you think its wrong to spam R with a macro I think we could all agree that its not an 'extreme macro'
also just to copypast from their operational guidelines
The wording "Extreme macro" users lends itself more to the botting side of elaborate macros and not a simple spam R macro. Wether or not you think its wrong to spam R with a macro I think we could all agree that its not an 'extreme macro'
The main word that was given in the past is that ANYTHING that Binds 2 buttons together in a single Key Press is concidered a macro.
Anything that automates the same keypress I.e. Trigger R, x=ms ,Trigger R(mouse) again and repeat by holding down same keypress this also is usually included with players using that same Keypress to trigger selected skills and combos Like using X skill that skill cancles to the next skill on one button is used heavly.
Generally you can identify players that can do things like a Mystics Pefect blow / dash cancle then grab and can pull it off even when they are doing a 90 degree snap to target. i practiced this for a year and could not pull it off to be told by the person that was doing it to me it was on a 3 skill macro. I was so ticked i didnt talk to them for a long time to find out they were using macros on me in PVP and i thought they were just really that good.
Basically it boils down to you can use your mouse program to bind a key press to a specific mouse button in some cases Bdo client cant recognize a button on my mouse i use a logitech G502 there are 3 buttons that BDO cant see so i bind like C or X to it that is allowed but if you cant input it through the game chances are your in the wrong.
If you arent hitting those keys yourself, it's a macro.
A Macro is anything automated via a 3rd party program to push keys for you without any hardware like a keyboard, gaming mouse keys, those wierd left-handed gaming mouse+mini keyboard thingies, game controller,etc.
It's not complicated.
EDIT: I know in World of Warcraft they have their own built-in macro/script system, but that's very different from what Pearl Abyss is talking about; Macro's in this case are programs outside of the Black Desert Client.
I'm not sure about Hardware-controlled macro's though, i know some gaming keyboards and newer gaming mice have those sort of features, i'm assuming most people asking have those types of setups. I have that hardware but i'm too dumb and lazy to fiddle around with it, i always found it easier to just play the game as intended.
IT is cute you believe their statements how they can detect macros from tiny things like gaming mouses... while they cant evne properly detect and react into hackers.
Banwaves after banwaves, couple of hundreds accounts closed and thats it. Then next day you meet another speedhacker on the sea.
Yeah sure, I feel so concerned that they ban me for space bar spam mosue click while taming horses :D
Yes, I would like to hear also a clarification about this because I use also macro for simple things and I never had problem. For example capture horse to avoid spam space and open a bunch of boxes as Oasis Dream Chest. (Currently I have more than 1000 dream chest saved). It's kinda stupid to do it manually for this type of task should be allowed.
The policy is pretty clear.
https://www.naeu.playblackdesert.com/en-US/News/Detail?groupContentNo=150
No macros allowed.
That definitely applies to hardware macros provided by your keyboard/mouse. This is not a "gray area" which they made abundantly clear in this post:
https://www.sea.playblackdesert.com/News/Notice/Detail?boardNo=4603&countryType=en-us
They are actively trying to detect hardware macros. Their policy - and their actions, demonstrates they don't allow macros of any form, either through software or hardware. No gray areas, no exceptions.
Now as to whether you'll get caught, it probably depends on what you use. As they said in their post, they've admitted hardware macros are much more difficult to detect. However, they've also stated they're actively trying to find better ways to catch people using hardware macros. So whether to continue using them or not, that's up to your level of risk. Is the benefit of the macro enough to risk permanently losing access to your game?
Personally, for me, it's not worth it.
I don't know what the customer,rights in NA are,but for EU ,they need to be more transparent.Already have been forced to stop selling the rng boxes in couple of EU countries ,because under their laws is considered gamble.So it won't be the first time.Don't know if you have seen this under those boxes.Here we customers are a bit more protected against one sided ,contracts.
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Dear new overlords,
After reading the GM post on new policy I'm left a little confused on what constitutes a "Macro". I'm sure there is an intended level of vagueness to offer a wide scope under your discretion. However the term "macro" can be used to describe functions with a vast desparity between use cases and nefarious/benign. You also mention software/hardware capable of doing macros, there is a big difference between something like AHK and razer synapse/corsair icue in terms of capabilities in producing something more botlike then a macro.
Below are 3 scenarios
I think most people would agree that this game can be pretty APM intensive so after a grind session it could be nice to gather something like pilgrims haven or herbs with a "macro" that simply repeats the 'R' key as a player navigates around. Lets be frank about the player time investment in this game, its massive and manually pressing one button repeatedly every 3 seconds (spamming the shit out of it to animation cancel the gather) for like 5 hours can hurt your hand. Its borderline inhumane to subject the playerbase to this kind of repetive strain injury machine. In this specific use case the player is not AFK and is manually interacting the the game the entire time, just without aching hands.
Another similar scenario, that would utilitze the same macro but is 'AFK' -- a 'macro' repeating the 'R' key while on a cluster of wild herbs. a player can sit on a location gathering up to 4 herbs per spawn cycle for hours on end with 1 key press. Obviously this is more nefarious then either of the other scenarios.
A third scenario, using a macro to drift your horse because your too lazy or your hands hurt from grinding. A horse ride can be a nice little break for your hands if you macro'd drift+instant accel.
Honestly i would just like a ruling by GM's about these scenarios - mainly the first one. I assume the macro detection software is intended to target full automation. Please dont give me carpal tunnel pearl abyss.
A message to the zoomers who are thinking about leaving comments - If your 18 and working at mcdonalds with the built up angst of 1000 condensed emo kids... Your diet of chicken tendies and ramen will leave you riddled with inflamation and screaming about your hands in 15 years.
i like that somebody is asking these questions, because i think this is unclear for many players. gaming keyboards are providing the possibility to rebind keys and sometimes even create macros. for some devices this is even happening on the device or within the device driver (e.g. corsair hardware macros), making it nearly impossible to detect for anti cheat software. from a technical perspective, i don't think you have to fear getting banned for r-spam or space-spam macros, but i find it unethical to use them.
in my opinion the better solution to the problem would be to address it by adjusting the gameplay mechanics. for example horse training requires us to smash the spacebar as fast as possible. i do horse training a lot, and it is quite an annoying minigame. i would much rather have a fishing-minigame-like way to capture horses. having the players to press keys on demand instead of blindly smashing the keyboard makes it impossible to automate with a simple macro.
for gathering, this is a little more difficult. we would need to introduce maybe a small minigame for rare drops or what not. just something that breaks the r-spam and requires the player to act differently.
using a macro to activate skills constituted of multiple keypresses should imho be banned for, although it has the same problem as described above - it's barely detectable, but it is a vital part of the combat system in bdo. binding even simple combinations like shift+x or shift+z should not be allowed, this issue should rather be solved by the game providing sensible methods to rebind keys or skills directly. if a skills is intended to be activated by just one key, we have the hotbar for that.