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How to handle DFS
Mar 22, 2021, 20:45 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 24, 2021, 16:34 (UTC)
# 31
On: Mar 24, 2021, 02:57 (UTC), Written by Helegnes

Just because something is within the game's design doesn't mean you get to escape social judgment on the matter. 

 

So, now we have our first bit of data:

This test was performed at stars end with a few instances in elvia. Next up?

 

Again, if you want to present this properly you need to go through the effort and design it correctly, and then formulate a proper post. Video evidence of the entire experiment, a few tables or graphs etc.

 

Rn it's just one guy rambling on the forums. If I were to share my personal SE experience it'd be:

Went to SE, didn't find anyone on server, grinded 15mins, got bored, hopped to enemy guild server, killed 2 guys, grinded 30mins, got bored, hopped to arsha, had some fun duels on the node, grinded for 10mins, got bored, went off to RBF.

 

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in my experience this is what SE is like for many of us fellas on EU (in my guild anyway), but I won't bring it up as evidence as it is too small a sample size to use as anything besides a basic example.

 

 

 

 

Wrong again.  If you would like me to write your posts for you, I can.  I know exactly what fallacies you argue and what you will say.  I'm not kidding.  It's so predictable I already know the outcome.  That's why I often answer questions before they are posted.

 

You see Big&Shiney's information is always useless.  It's only "anecdotal".  It's only "1 person".  Thus it's never reliable.  And since forum posters never put in any effort or test anything, it's just not credible.

 

The joke is on YOU.  I know what you don't know.  I'm always several steps ahead of you.

So here is your chance to learn.

 

I know I can replicate those results on a whim.  They are common occurances that have occured over 1,000 times.  So while you all squabble about nonsense unable to figure things out, I already have all the data and correct information.

 

If you where an actual hardcore gamer you wouldn't need someone to tell you these things, you would already know it yourself.

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Last Edit : Mar 24, 2021, 17:48 (UTC)
# 32
On: Mar 23, 2021, 18:19 (UTC), Written by Kynreaa

Will destroy this entitled resource hog mentality.

Sorry, for clarity, the "entitled resource hog" is the player that wants the resource or the one that has it and doesn't want to give it up? That part always confuses me. Thanks!

Last Edit : Mar 24, 2021, 18:24 (UTC)
# 33
On: Mar 24, 2021, 17:48 (UTC), Written by Mother

Sorry, for clarity, the "entitled resource hog" is the player that wants the resource or the one that has it and doesn't want to give it up? That part always confuses me. Thanks!

Hi Mom!!

 

Yes it was a bit unclear.  However, I don't think "resource hog" is a possible situation.

 

Lets dispell this idea:

If you play Final Fantasy 7 for hours at a time are you "hogging up all the resources"?  Or are you just playing the game at your leisure how it was intended?  (Rhetorical, it's yes).

 

What about if someone plays Diablo 2 for hours farming the same location in their own private game?

 

So why would this normal and intended behavior somehow become "hogging resources".  It's just people wanting to play the game under normal conditions.

 

The players are not the problem here it's Pearl Abyss that is the problem.  Their game design is defective and unable to support the customer base.  They should FIX IT.

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Last Edit : Mar 24, 2021, 22:48 (UTC)
# 34
On: Mar 24, 2021, 16:34 (UTC), Written by Retteo

Wrong again.  If you would like me to write your posts for you, I can.  I know exactly what fallacies you argue and what you will say.  I'm not kidding.  It's so predictable I already know the outcome.  That's why I often answer questions before they are posted.

No argument present

On: Mar 24, 2021, 16:34 (UTC), Written by Retteo

You see Big&Shiney's information is always useless.  It's only "anecdotal".  It's only "1 person".  Thus it's never reliable.  And since forum posters never put in any effort or test anything, it's just not credible.

This fella actually documents his tests though. For one thing you can have a nice chat with him regarding it both in DMs and on the post itself, or even in-game.
He also includes a detailed setup; to take an example

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUH18hgXH0EZLDar6GgexjbCWuRaGsmb5dU8xQ8yrtU/edit

Predictions, known facts, experimental design, results, conclusions...

 

On: Mar 24, 2021, 16:34 (UTC), Written by Retteo

The joke is on YOU.  I know what you don't know.  I'm always several steps ahead of you.

So here is your chance to learn.

 

I know I can replicate those results on a whim.  They are common occurances that have occured over 1,000 times.  So while you all squabble about nonsense unable to figure things out, I already have all the data and correct information.

 

If you where an actual hardcore gamer you wouldn't need someone to tell you these things, you would already know it yourself.

If you were an actual hardcore gamer you wouldn't hide your name~~ the one squabbling is you, we're fine with the current DFS etiquette, if a bit annoyed by griefers such as yourself polluting the playerbase

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 13:34 (UTC)
# 35
On: Mar 23, 2021, 18:19 (UTC), Written by Kynreaa

This is why I love the direction Pearl abyss is going with grind spots, making them access restricted. Karma bombing will soon come with a price, and grinding on Arsha will actually incentivize grouping if only one group memeber has to carry the access token to get the full benefits of the grind spot.

 

Will destroy this entitled resource hog mentality.

Karmabombing is a non-isse that barely exists. It is nothing but a buzzword used by griefers who want to murder others without consequences.

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 16:34 (UTC)
# 36
On: Mar 24, 2021, 22:48 (UTC), Written by Helegnes

No argument present

This fella actually documents his tests though. For one thing you can have a nice chat with him regarding it both in DMs and on the post itself, or even in-game.
He also includes a detailed setup; to take an example

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rUH18hgXH0EZLDar6GgexjbCWuRaGsmb5dU8xQ8yrtU/edit

Predictions, known facts, experimental design, results, conclusions...

 

If you were an actual hardcore gamer you wouldn't hide your name~~ the one squabbling is you, we're fine with the current DFS etiquette, if a bit annoyed by griefers such as yourself polluting the playerbase

You still don't get it.  You are essentially just gas lighting at this point.

 

You can't understand that none of that is heresay.  I witnessed all the occurances over years.

What you are trying to tell me is what I personally witnessed isn't true because you can't verify it, figure it out, or even test it yourself.

 

You also can't put 2 and 2 together.  If you had that ability you would think to yourself:

What makes sense?

 

We have historically masses of people asking for PVE servers (you can't figure out the data on that I know). But WHY?

Something doesn't add up?  WHY are all those people asking for PVE servers?

 

Golly gee, it's such a mystery I can't figure it out.  Maybe you can.

I'm just a slllooowww southerna.  I wonders why people made a thread with the title

"DFS is most cancer aspect of game"

 

It's beyond me to figure it out.  We need Sherlock Holmes to come in and save us all.

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Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 16:56 (UTC)
# 37
On: Mar 25, 2021, 16:17 (UTC), Written by Retteo

You still don't get it.  You are essentially just gas lighting at this point.

 

You can't understand that none of that is heresay.  I witnessed all the occurances over years.

What you are trying to tell me is what I personally witnessed isn't true because you can't verify it, figure it out, or even test it yourself.

 

You also can't put 2 and 2 together.  If you had that ability you would think to yourself:

What makes sense?

 

We have historically masses of people asking for PVE servers (you can't figure out the data on that I know). But WHY?

Something doesn't add up?  WHY are all those people asking for PVE servers?

 

Golly gee, it's such a mystery I can't figure it out.  Maybe you can.

I'm just a slllooowww southerna.  I wonders why people made a thread with the title

"DFS is most cancer aspect of game"

 

It's beyond me to figure it out.  We need Sherlock Holmes to come in and save us all.

Sherlock Holmes reporting in!

 

People are terrified of leaving their comfort zone. Any inconvenience is the end of the world and a serius issue that causes PTSD.

 

You see the same shit in EVERY game with any PvP in it. Even if it's instanced, like battleground style, they cry that they are "forced" to PvP if you get anything even remotely useful out of it.

 

Maybe my viewpoint is skewed, because when I started playing MMOs, PvP wasn't optional. DAoC, SWG, Anarchy Online. You either PvPd or you played something else.

 

Hey, here's a thought, instead of complaining that there is PvP in a game that clearly states there will be PvP everywhere, why don't you go play one of the many PvE games instead? What you're doing is going to a vegeterian restaurant and asking where the fuck is the steak.

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 17:23 (UTC)
# 38
On: Mar 25, 2021, 16:56 (UTC), Written by BigMystake

Sherlock Holmes reporting in!

 

People are terrified of leaving their comfort zone. Any inconvenience is the end of the world and a serius issue that causes PTSD.

 

You see the same shit in EVERY game with any PvP in it. Even if it's instanced, like battleground style, they cry that they are "forced" to PvP if you get anything even remotely useful out of it.

 

Maybe my viewpoint is skewed, because when I started playing MMOs, PvP wasn't optional. DAoC, SWG, Anarchy Online. You either PvPd or you played something else.

 

Hey, here's a thought, instead of complaining that there is PvP in a game that clearly states there will be PvP everywhere, why don't you go play one of the many PvE games instead? What you're doing is going to a vegeterian restaurant and asking where the fuck is the steak.

Fake News!!!

 

In a society with other people your rights end when you start infringing upon others.  That is because many human ideologies allow you free will to do whatever it is you enjoy.  The same aspects apply to the game.

 

You may choose to Sail on a Boat, Gather Weeds, or Grind a Rotation.  You may even engage in Sieges, Node Wars, or the RBF.  The problems arise when you start IMPOSING upon others that do not want that interaction.

 

And your rebute is SOOO boring and dead.  I mean why change things for the better when you can just be lazy and incompetent and just leave them as is?

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Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 17:23 (UTC)
# 39
On: Mar 25, 2021, 17:22 (UTC), Written by Retteo

Fake News!!!

 

In a society with other people your right end when you start infringing upon others.  That is because many human ideologies allow you free will to do whatever it is you enjoy.  The same aspects apply to the game.

 

You may choose to Sail on a Boat, Gather Weeds, or Grind a Rotation.  You may even engage in Sieges, Node Wars, or the RBF.  The problems arise when you start IMPOSING upon others that do not want that interaction.

 

And your rebute is SOOO boring and dead.  I mean why change things for the better when you can just be lazy and incompetent and just leave them as is?

I welcome pvp.  I just don't get why pkrs complain about karma losses when they choose to pk players

Last Edit : Mar 25, 2021, 17:28 (UTC)
# 40
On: Mar 25, 2021, 17:22 (UTC), Written by Retteo

Fake News!!!

 

In a society with other people your rights end when you start infringing upon others.  That is because many human ideologies allow you free will to do whatever it is you enjoy.  The same aspects apply to the game.

 

You may choose to Sail on a Boat, Gather Weeds, or Grind a Rotation.  You may even engage in Sieges, Node Wars, or the RBF.  The problems arise when you start IMPOSING upon others that do not want that interaction.

 

And your rebute is SOOO boring and dead.  I mean why change things for the better when you can just be lazy and incompetent and just leave them as is?

You consent to that interaction by playing the game. What, you complain when you get shot in CS:GO too?

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