I keep seeing all this bad information about protected rotations and range.  This applies to large scale fights, but I never see anyone comprehending how it actually works in a 1v1.

So listen up and learn:

Some classes can sit in Block/Sa/360/FG.  It's true, just pressing backwards alone can activate protections.

What is NEVER stated:

A protected rotation does not mean you are constantly spamming CC's.  All a grab class needs to do it use any type of protected movement and grab you.

That's why classes like Warrior, Zerker, even Lahn are so ridiculous in 1v1.  All of those protections don't mean anything when they are not CCing incoming targets.  Furthermore, the game is so broken only 1 side actually has protections in these cases.  If someone is coming at you with protected movement into a grab the only counters are typically iframes or another grab.  However, if your fighting a class without those abilities there is simply nothing that can be done.

Protected Rotations only matter in specific situations.  Not everyone is a Succ Wizard doing cheese teleport in/out.

Since protected movement and even protected grabs where implemented the game isn't just bad, it's broke.

Because no one cares about 1v1s..... 1v1 is something you do for fun with guildies to learn classes and just to spar. You hardly ever come across 1v1 duels  anymore in the open world and usually they esculate to GVG which is again large scale. this is a MMO its ment to have fights in a group theres never been a good MMO balanced around pure 1v1s which is why Witchards need to stop asking for it because now that they have succ witchard as an option they broke large scale more then it already was. People understand what the game is unfortunatley the game is balanced around resists grabs  and catching people if you get grabbed in a 1v1 its because your to close. Grabs in this game at least in large scale are designed to punish people that are so far out of position. The problem lies that witchards are always out of position and now because they have multiple warps GG dead large scale PVP scene to anyone that actually gave 2 shits about it. Unless your tagging a witchard just to be part of a zerg on a class you dont even like..............

Protected Rotations only matter in specific situations.  Not everyone is a Succ Wizard doing cheese teleport in/out.

This is why Witchards are currently broken  they do not play by the same rules as the rest of the classes that are doing actual combos. Other classes are not just spamming  burst damage while having only a grab being thier counter. Witch wizard should also be twigs just like Ranger and Archer building tank on them should not stack the way it currently does it should scale just like those 2 classes a bit more survivablity  at best.

Since protected movement and even protected grabs where implemented the game isn't just bad, it's broke.

Protected movement is how you dodge skillsa and try and outplay people ( its more like a fighting game)  otherwise this might as well just be a tab target game where you recieve full damage for someone just clicking on you. This has been in the game since the start. 

Also once again as someone said in another post do you even play the game? you have no class listed or level.

Where do you come up with this crap and its always the opposite of what you say.

Large scale is something you only do for fun with Guildies.1v1 is something your forced to participate in after you reach level 50 and step out of a safe zone.

Your logic is incredibly backward.

These 1v1 confrontation "always turn into huge gvg's" is bullcrap and only pertains to the less than 5% of the more hardcore,geared playerbase that participates in large scale.The other 95%+ rarely if at all participates in large scale battles and only pvp's in solo forced open world confrontations.

A lot of these same people saying 1v1 doesnt matter you see making threads about griefers,karma bombers,mob feeding,pve only servers,more servers and lots of other crap that mostly pertains to ow1v1.

Everyone cares about 1v1...that why they all make succ wiz alts instead of succ wiz mains.Because large scale is only alt pvp while ow1v1 is main pvp.The only people saying ow1v1 doesn't matter are people who have good 1v1 classes because if they truly believed 1v1 didnt matter then they would have no objections about buffing the 1v1 of classes weak at it and furthermore even in large scale battles 1v1 encounters is common.I get in 1v1 battles pretty often in rbf matches and even when I used to NW.

OMG you blew up Easay9 on so many points.  Lets dive in!!!

"Because no one cares about 1v1s."

But Witch/Wizard should be bad at 1v1 and they are not designed for small scale.  Logically Inconsistent: If no one cares about 1v1's then keeping these classes down wouldn't matter.  In fact it would only matter if there is VALUE to winning 1v1's.

These 1v1 confrontation "always turn into huge gvg's" is bullcrap and only pertains to the less than 5% of the more hardcore,geared playerbase that participates in large scale.The other 95%+ rarely if at all participates in large scale battles and only pvp's in solo forced open world confrontations.

There isn't much to say here except, this is correct.  Granted it's using estimates, but the ideology is sound.  This a problem with the forums where anyone can spew anything.  Logical, Accurate, Reasonable, Common Sense, Math, etc NEED to be a priority.

"The problem lies that witchards are always out of position and now because they have multiple warps "

Factually Incorrect: ONLY Succ Wizard has this ability.  So it's inaccurate to say Witchards which includes Succ Witch, Awak Witch, Awak Wizard.

With the release of Hadum Servers it's more important than ever to have 1v1 abililties.  These are some of the highest silver/hr areas in the game.

A lot of these same people saying 1v1 doesnt matter you see making threads about griefers,karma bombers,mob feeding,pve only servers,more servers and lots of other crap that mostly pertains to ow1v1.

Got EM!!!

Retteo, do you even play the game? Because you have no class or level listed.

Pretty sure he doesn't tbh, would be best if PA banned non-linked accounts spamming up the forums

Its not the opposite of what I say 1v1 PVP is something you do in an arena or when learning classes. 9/10 people you see in the open world will not DFS and will just   not give af and continue grinding. If you do actually have someone duel you and fight you for a spot normally it esculates to a GVG. My thoughts are not backwards your to nieve to see anything in the game because you a witchard main that has the most biased statements in these forums. Everyone and I mean everyone that wants this game to succeed wants your class nerfed and nerfed hard. Your class is responsible for making a majority of the class litterally non existent in group PVP and the fact they can do that and are s+ tier in 1v1 is a joke.

Everyone cares about 1v1...that why they all make succ wiz alts instead of succ wiz mains.Because large scale is only alt pvp while ow1v1 is main pvp.The only people saying ow1v1 doesn't matter are people who have good 1v1 classes because if they truly believed 1v1 didnt matter then they would have no objections about buffing the 1v1 of classes weak at it and furthermore even in large scale battles 1v1 encounters is common.I get in 1v1 battles pretty often in rbf matches and even when I used to NW.

Witchards are currently broken in 1v1s just as they are in large scale so I dont know what your even talking about.........

 Hes a forum troll who doesnt play the game I figured that out already.

It's so sweet to listen to all these people resorting to insults when they can't back up their points.  I smile every time someone thinks you need background information to talk about game issues.

It's even more laughable that no one can even back up those claims and give any data at all on the requirements needed.

Furthermore, they even bias their own information anyway because they are trolls not looking for real discussions.

Just like you tried to do to Stealthe and belittle him for the class he plays.  Also complaining as if he is responsible for Pearl Abyss turning Succ Wizard into a disaster.

If 1v1 doesn't matter boost Witch in 1v1, it won't cause you any harm at all.  It doesn't even matter.  Also for years straight no one even tried to claim the class wasn't gimped at 1v1.  Everyone just knew it and it was common knolwedge.  Now after essentially nothing has changed it's all the sudden supposed to be fine lol.

So I see you are here once again "spamming up the forums" with nothing to contribute to the conversation.

The topic was about how protected rotations don't work very well in 1v1 because

A: You are not protected at all vs grabs

B: You are not CCing very often

C: People can move in protected and grab

Maybe if you want to use the forums you should participate in the discussions instead of just spamming them with posts not pertaining to the subject.

And what level requirment exactly is required to have knowledge about this discussion?  What class must one play to participate in the conversation?  Is sailing required?  What gathering mastery is enough to suffice for this discussion?

Just like you tried to do to Stealthe and belittle him for the class he plays.  Also complaining as if he is responsible for Pearl Abyss turning Succ Wizard into a disaster.

I never said it was his fault but he sits there and defends his classes ability to now be a 1v1 God and in multiple forum posts has stated he gives no care about everyones issues with witchards or have you not noticed because your to busy trolling the forums you have no class nor level you shouldn't even be able to message in here as many have pointed out.

It's so sweet to listen to all these people resorting to insults when they can't back up their points.  I smile every time someone thinks you need background information to talk about game issues.

It's even more laughable that no one can even back up those claims and give any data at all on the requirements needed

What data do I need? Everyone knows PA creating succ witchards made them broken and are responsible for most of the class balance issues that the game now faces.

If 1v1 doesn't matter boost Witch in 1v1, it won't cause you any harm at all.  It doesn't even matter.  Also for years straight no one even tried to claim the class wasn't gimped at 1v1. 

1v1 doesn't matter   but they cannot buff her more or she's even more broken in large scale then she already is. But your to busy trolling the forums you also do not even play the game you know how I know?  

You complain about grabs in most of your posts you have made or how there's protection before someone grabs. Grabs are strong yes but they are not  a litteral damage wall that prevents melee from even engaging. And they have a counter called iframe. People dodge grabs all the time you bait it out  the only class where that doesn't really work is zerker which is fine.the grabs also unprotected saying its not because you can iframe/ super armor into a grab is just wrong. If you actually played the game and had a grab you would know 2 things.

1 it's not a garentee that it lands.

2 if you do it into anyone's cc your knocked down  before the grab goes off and punished hard for it.

It's so sweet to listen to all these people resorting to insults when they can't back up their points

I have no point that needs backing up the game is currently impossible to balance because 2 classes make so many others completely irrelevant in pvp. They get fixed maybe then we can look at grabs and protections and other things but as is you can't touch any of it.