So these "crybabies" as you call them are scared to fight or take losses?  In a completely P2W game that has been out for years with 1 combo meta and broken classes?  Lets ignore that broken aspect for a bit and talk about these "non crybabies".

Well it turns out we can't call them "non crybabies" because these current so called "pvp want2bees" can't even handle Arsha.  They need a safe space where they are PROTECTED, (there is that word again) from all the big bad bullies?  That doesn't make sense, these people WANT competition they WANT a dangerous game world?

Or is the TRUTH the problem.  That they are all cowards that want a system in which they can abuse other people for their own amusement, but CAN NOT STAND the consequences for it.

There is NO karma system for PVPers in BDO.  Only those "crybabies" as YOU call them have to deal with Karma ;)

If you wanted to go by facts and had even basic knowledge of the games your speak about you would know they also FOLDED and massively weakened their PVP aspects.  I don't even play Albion online and I know this.  They had quite a few controversies about the PVP changes that drastically reduced the PVP environement.

New World did the same thing too.  It's amazing how all these companies fold and these systems don't work on populated games.

But don't let those facts hurt your feelings.

"And owpvp being "reduced" is only your opinion."

There are only TWO answers to these questions.  FACT or OPINION.  You WILL NOT even attempt to demonstrate to everyone that you can answer these, but this is for everyone else.

FACT or OPINION lets see

The exp penalty was removed from player kills?

The amount of trade goods destroyed from player kills was reduced?

The amount of karma obtained from pking was increased?

PVP was removed during World bosses?

Remember there are ONLY TWO answers, FACT or OPINION.  Lets see how you do.

No, that actually happened before all that. It happened before you could sell pearl items on market place, it happened before we even hat boss weapons (+15 Yuria was the shit) and we had like 8 classes or so at most. There was nothing like onecombo back then.

So your whole argument is completly invalid. All that p2w crap came later on and the onecombo stuff happend when they introduced ap brackets and everyone went full ap and then complained that he dies in one combo while not building a single dp item.

I dont know exactly what controversy you're talking about in Albion. Their player numbers are steady with big spikes on new patches like every MMO. The endgame is still precisely the same. same with eve, same with OSRS.

New world is its own can of worms and due to the catastrophic nature of launch I dont think its fair to even consider it as a blow to PVP games. More like a blow to games in general.

Do you think that its possible for me to grief a player without PKing? If i were to select a player at random and follow them, grinding in their rotation over and ovber, following them from spot to spot until they finally swap off my server. Do you think that's griefing?

How I do?

Exactly the same way I told you before. BDO is a game with regulated owpvp. They tweak rules, as they should. Are you surprised? Not me. Meanwhile, they still claim owpvp is a core part of the game. Fact.

Only someone like you who misunderstood the game on a fundamental level would be surprised to see them. You're lost, Jack, and you don't even understand the game your supposed to play on. You're projecting your hardcore pvp idealism on BDO. 

Look at this guy answering in new and separate, fresh, complete posts, making sure he's beating into us what he's saying lol.

A bit cringe to read... no offense kekw. I see that you like the game so much that you want to change it because you want to keep playing it. You come from soft, pink and rainbow coloured mmos. Sure that's okay, not saying they are bad, they are populated as heck too. Lol. But THIS is not THAT :D

Even with all the slight pvp changes that occured over time, BDO still is same in that regard and nothing changed. You fundamentally don't understand BDO. They made it like this because they wanted to. It's there to use. You want people like us to leave or so that devs soften the game for you because you hate conflict. Not gonna happen. They might implement more regulations, that's fine but the game will still fundamentally remain the same and you will never be happy, because some form of abuse here will remain and in your eyes it will always persist.

It's all 100% relevant as you want to implement those PVP rules into TODAY'S current game.

You simply don't want to accept the fact that players are NOT really looking to PVP.  The ONLY reason people even claim they want OWPVP is to "protect their grind spot".

If that was actually true Private Instances protect it 100% of the time and THAT is the solution to their ficticious problem of everyone just grinding in their face despite the FACT that I can't find those people even after 10,000's of hour grinding at this point.

There are TWO sides.  What is good for the game, which is what I am referring to and the the current game.  In the current game I can plow right over anyone I want and force people out of any spot I feel like.  All that's needed is to be more persistent, exploit the systems more than your opponent and be more obnoxious than they are.

And YOU fully support that behavior.  It's called PLAYER vs PLAYER.  It doesn't break any policies, but it's certainly NOT GOOD FOR THE GAME.

I'm more of a hardcore PVPer than you could imagine ;) 

The reason that we nowadays have so many players not looking for PvP is because they came here withing informing themselves of what BDO is and then cry later to change it, basically like you are doing right now.

How about you don't play a game that has things you don't like? Ever thought about that?

But no, then they come with "but I want to do X" or "but BDO has Y"...cool, but you should not try to change the core gameplay of bdo which is PVPVE. If you don't accept it, then this game is not for you.