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Fix BDO's Karma System
Jan 8, 2023, 22:24 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 19:53 (UTC)
# 241
On: Jan 24, 2023, 08:01 (UTC), Written by JackBelling

Easy to dismantle.

I play a very strong PVP class and I have top end game gear.  I go to high yield areas where my GS is significantly higher than the content.  It's contested so I try to DFS people.  I don't play enough to need 100 Vendetta's.  Some players I try to mob feed and when it becomes to pesky after I fail enough mob feeding attempts.

Guess what I do then? I completley cheese those players that I couldn't force out by exploiting mob feeding or exploiting clan dec.  I completely remove their Karma System (Which is DESIGNED to protect them) and take the spot because I'm the king #$%$# and that's just how it is boyz.

You see this system is great because it works for ME.  And that's all that matters ;)

You see I'm actually A SMART player.  Something YOU can't take into account.  I know I have a limited amount of Vendetta's so my go to is always to MOB FEED first or try to grind in someone else's spot and annjoy them into leaving while I wait for a cheesy war dec. 

I ONLY use the broken Vendetta system as a last resort to steal spots when all other methods fail ;)

Oh and I saved the BEST for last.  When I find someone I dominate via class and gear score.  I use the VENDETTA system to MOB FEED them.  That way I get unlimited attempts without ever going red.  It's amazingly fun to spoil their game experience that way.

At the end of the week right before my Vendetta resets I just look for targets to mob feed.  LOL it's FUNNY FOR ME.  They seem to hate it and feel it's abusive, but you know what they say  "#%$#% em, it's a PVP game brah LOL"

Mob-death penalities would be removed from the game, so your big brain idea won't work.

If Vendettas are used to take a spot from someone, then that will result in the player running out of this limited resource, which is limited to 1 - 3 per week (or so, exact number of Vendettas a player can send is tentative).  But what difference is that scenario versus the current Guild Dec system?  Players can still send decs to other people's guilds and do the exact same thing.  Player Interaction isn't black and white, it's not "I want to take this spot, so I'm gonna take it" 100% of the time.  You sound like you don't play the game, TBH, if you think so black and white about how grind zone interactions go.  You also seem to think everyone is as toxic as you are, which is funny to me.  How cynical does one have to be to think EVERYONE is a griefer? 

Being griefed is relatively uncommon, at least from what I've heard from people I've spoken with -- but it is possible and does happen.  I've heard my fair share of horror stories about players minding their own business and bad run ins with guildless players or un-warrable guilds.  That's what needs to be changed.  PA is aware Karma can be abused, they stated that at Calpheon Ball 2021.  So instead of trolling around, doing your darn hardest to start beefs by being a PoS, why don't you go heat up some Hot Pockets that your mom bought and go back to your dungeon / basement and chill TF out?

What the Vendetta System will mainly address are guildless / non-warrable guilds from griefing with impunity like how the Karma System allows now.  You talk high and mighty about griefers, as if you're against griefing in BDO (you're not, you're just trolling here on your 5th unliked account since your previous ones got banned KEKW), but you fail when not addressing other ways griefing happens.  That speaks volumes about your bias and lack of willingness to enagage in contructive, mature, discussions.  Grow up.  We're seeking solutions, if you have a problem, bring it up with maturity instead of speaking like a rabid muskrat overdosing on Mountain Dew.

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 20:55 (UTC)
# 242
On: Jan 25, 2023, 19:44 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

Mob-death penalities would be removed from the game, so your big brain idea won't work.

If Vendettas are used to take a spot from someone, then that will result in the player running out of this limited resource, which is limited to 1 - 3 per week (or so, exact number of Vendettas a player can send is tentative).  But what difference is that scenario versus the current Guild Dec system?  Players can still send decs to other people's guilds and do the exact same thing.  Player Interaction isn't black and white, it's not "I want to take this spot, so I'm gonna take it" 100% of the time.  You sound like you don't play the game, TBH, if you think so black and white about how grind zone interactions go.  You also seem to think everyone is as toxic as you are, which is funny to me.  How cynical does one have to be to think EVERYONE is a griefer? 

Being griefed is relatively uncommon, at least from what I've heard from people I've spoken with -- but it is possible and does happen.  I've heard my fair share of horror stories about players minding their own business and bad run ins with guildless players or un-warrable guilds.  That's what needs to be changed.  PA is aware Karma can be abused, they stated that at Calpheon Ball 2021.  So instead of trolling around, doing your darn hardest to start beefs by being a PoS, why don't you go heat up some Hot Pockets that your mom bought and go back to your dungeon / basement and chill TF out?

What the Vendetta System will mainly address are guildless / non-warrable guilds from griefing with impunity like how the Karma System allows now.  You talk high and mighty about griefers, as if you're against griefing in BDO (you're not, you're just trolling here on your 5th unliked account since your previous ones got banned KEKW), but you fail when not addressing other ways griefing happens.  That speaks volumes about your bias and lack of willingness to enagage in contructive, mature, discussions.  Grow up.  We're seeking solutions, if you have a problem, bring it up with maturity instead of speaking like a rabid muskrat overdosing on Mountain Dew.

Didn't you just LIE to everyone in your last post and pretend your ideas are based upon objective facts?

Right after I point out OBJECTIVE FACTS of WHY you wouldn't need many Vendetta's to grief you then just trash post it can't be abused because it's limited?

You can't even acknowledge basic points let alone construct an argument.  You want to pretend those FACTS don't exist.

Whats even WORSE is you yourself posted what PK is and in depth information about WHY Pearl Abyss DOES NOT WANT to encourage it.  Then you try to promote this COWARDLY idea of Vendetta that is LITERALLY trying to ALLOW PK for FREE because you use yell VENDETTA.

I DO NOT believe that you can't comprehend that system is literally a PK system that circumvents the entire Karma System.  I think you are just a liar.

I could literally beat down a new player repeatedly and go tee-hee tee-hee I'm NOT PKing you ROFL.  VENDETTA lol.  TIme for your to visit the trash can newb!!! LOL I'm NOT PKing I'm not PKing Tee-hee tee-hee VENDETTA LOL GIT GUD

(That is literally what you are promoting even KNOWING Pearl Abyss specifically stated THEY DO NOT WANT THAT)  Why should anyone believe anything you ever say?

You thought you could AFK travel on your horse LOL.  VENDETTA !!!! Don't worry I'm not going to PK you ROFL.  Awe that's to bad for YOU.  To bad YOU didn't have a Karma System to prevent me from abusing you!!!! LOL It's a PVP game brah!!! It's not gambling it's SURPRISE MECHANICS~~~  Surprise VENDETTA!!! It's certainly NOT PKING!

Why don't you just go to Arsha and yell VENDETTA at everyone.  Or are you to cowardly to play on a server with true OPEN WORLD PVP.  You SAY you want PVP, but you don't ACT like it.

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 21:40 (UTC)
# 243
On: Jan 25, 2023, 20:46 (UTC), Written by JackBelling

Didn't you just LIE to everyone in your last post and pretend your ideas are based upon objective facts?

Right after I point out OBJECTIVE FACTS of WHY you wouldn't need many Vendetta's to grief you then just trash post it can't be abused because it's limited?

You can't even acknowledge basic points let alone construct an argument.  You want to pretend those FACTS don't exist.

Whats even WORSE is you yourself posted what PK is and in depth information about WHY Pearl Abyss DOES NOT WANT to encourage it.  Then you try to promote this COWARDLY idea of Vendetta that is LITERALLY trying to ALLOW PK for FREE because you use yell VENDETTA.

I DO NOT believe that you can't comprehend that system is literally a PK system that circumvents the entire Karma System.  I think you are just a liar.

I could literally beat down a new player repeatedly and go tee-hee tee-hee I'm NOT PKing you ROFL.  VENDETTA lol.  TIme for your to visit the trash can newb!!! LOL I'm NOT PKing I'm not PKing Tee-hee tee-hee VENDETTA LOL GIT GUD

(That is literally what you are promoting even KNOWING Pearl Abyss specifically stated THEY DO NOT WANT THAT)  Why should anyone believe anything you ever say?

You thought you could AFK travel on your horse LOL.  VENDETTA !!!! Don't worry I'm not going to PK you ROFL.  Awe that's to bad for YOU.  To bad YOU didn't have a Karma System to prevent me from abusing you!!!! LOL It's a PVP game brah!!! It's not gambling it's SURPRISE MECHANICS~~~  Surprise VENDETTA!!! It's certainly NOT PKING!

Why don't you just go to Arsha and yell VENDETTA at everyone.  Or are you to cowardly to play on a server with true OPEN WORLD PVP.  You SAY you want PVP, but you don't ACT like it.

Show me where the lie is.  Quote me and present evidence.  I do my absolute best to remain objective, truthful, open minded, and stick to dev statements -- as I care about this game and care about the community, unlike YOU who constantly bashes the game, calls it broken / garbage / and whatever else (while still commenting in the forum for some reason), and you constantly send personal attacks and ad hominem to other people who genuinely care about Black Desert Online.  I mean, who TF gets banned on BDO forums more than 4 times, all on unlinked accounts, then makes a new unlinked account to continue doing the exact same thing that got them banned those last 4+ times?  Looking at you.

I asked you HOW ARE YOUR COMPLAINTS ANY DIFFERENT THAN A GUILD DEC?????

--> Vendetta system has a timer -- You can't send it and immediately PK someone riding a horse.  (I said earlier "I know reading isn't your strong point" -- so thanks for showing evidence of THAT).

-->  It's just like a guild dec in that sense.  Except, there are further limitations to prevent abuse like limiting the amount that can be sent out.  It's to be treated as a limited resource / or emergency-use.  If misused, this resource is wasted.

Your argument is, in clearer language:  "PA said they want to discourage PK, you're presenting a system that promotes PK".

-->  My system does not promote PK more than it is promoted currently -- Karma System remains in tact, and while Vendetta's may circumvent Karma penalties, there are limits that prevent it from being used with malicious intent.

I do not claim the system is set-in-stone-answer-to-all-problems.  I am sure it could use refinement.  And if there's a BETTER SOLUTON WHY DON'T YOU PRESENT ONE?  Oh yeah, becuase all your suggestions are trash and go against how the game is designed (OWPVX sandbox MMO).  Instanced servers?  PVE servers?  Goes against game design, devs said that already.  My system uproots the issue from the source (guildless players having no consequence of griefing others), taking into account the game design and vision of BDO stated by the devs.

As someone who genuinely cares about BDO, the community, and direction of the game, my system is merely a POSSIBLE soluton to an ongoing problem.  An ongoing problem that is acknowledged by PA and a large portion of the playerbase as being a problem.

L

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 21:41 (UTC)
# 244

And about Arsha, the problem isn't on Arsha.  Karma System abuse happens on normal channels.  Playing on Arsha (which I do), does not solve the problem on normal channels.

So many players know this by now.  Even PA acknowledged it.  Get with the program.

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