@Zeroden My points are valid and you should be able to understand them.

And I'm not angry but thank you to worry about my state! 😅

Now, let's be serious because you haven't read my answer seriously.

So anybody coming on your grinding spot is toxic, whatever choice he makes. Ok. On that I agree. And the karma system is there to avoid this kind of bullying behavior, which is called "griefer".

Btw mob feeding is risky for both parts so it's not a solution either.

Actually not, I took that example, but it's among many other examples. People, in general, who are quietly grinding on their spot, should not suffer any griefer, noob or old.

On that part we agree, people coming to ruin your farm should be the ones punished. That's why there should be some system of grinding zone booking for 1h, some protection for your farm going on. That way, no griefer could come and ruin your buffs and everything.

Marni's doesn't cover the group zones and is only 1h a day. I'm talking about the regular game there.

Now, the lonely questionable point there: do we agree on what a griefer is? You seem to confirm that it's someone coming to ruin your farm. So we should be speaking the same language. No?

A deminishing return system is not penalty free. There is still a penalty, and that penalty is not as severe as the current system offers. Going red has severe consequences right now, and the repurcussions are disproportionate to the actions that led you there. Arsha being a pvp server isn't a blanket solution for all problems related to grinding and player conflicts.

its not severe enough, gear should be deleted not just lose hone level
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you can also just not attack people and find another spot nearby and you wont run into red karma.

I'm with you but can't upvote your 1st comment, downgrading is punishing enough, especially when you know that pkers and griefers are most of the times overgeared so their PEN is hard to get back and very expensive.

Now yes, they should look for an available spot instead of griefing another player on his spot.

its honestly not hard to find an empty spot especially now that servers arent crowded players that flag up to take someones spot are just toxic they really have no reason to do it nowadays.

you can also just not attack people and find another spot nearby and you wont run into red karma.

This does not solve the present day issue of a player interrupting a grind you've been actively pursuing while you are running buffs and they are not. If the player is guildless or their guild is undeccable or they are under protection, you are just getting griefed.

Actually yes, it is the spot of the person on it.

If I wanna park my car, I'm not gonna find the guy to tell him "I want that spot and my car is bigger and faster so move out!"

The spot is taken so it's my problem to find another one, as it's civilized to park somewhere else and not dfs another driver.

Same mechanics as in life: first come first serve.

So I will definitely not agree with this lack of courtesy in the game you're talking about.

I already mentionned Marni's. Please read more carefully.

I proposed another system in addition where every player could validate a grinding zone for 1 hour. It would be renewable since it would not be in an instance but in the open world. So for every hour that a guy (or a group) wanna farm, he would have to validate his zone every hour.

It's not band-aids, it's a definitive solution against players who wanna come and steal the spot of the one already farming without annoying anybody.

By Wiktionary: One who griefs: a player who plays a game primarily to reduce other players’ enjoyment of it.

By Wikipedia: A griefer derives pleasure primarily, or exclusively, from the act of annoying other users, and as such, is a particular nuisance in online gaming communities. Griefing usually involves using aspects of the game in unintended ways to annoy other players.

-> "using aspects of the game": you talk about karma bombing because it arranges you but the truth is people overgeared use their overgear to take away the spot and the fun of another player. THAT is the 1st aspect of the game you use permanently, by pking and harassing! And the 2nd aspect u use, it's blackmailing: "accept dfs or gvg!" So people like you use even more the mechanics of the games toward innocent players trying to play quietly by their side after they took the time already to find a free spot, maybe to avoid any conflict or pvp (which YOU bring!) or perhaps because they don't wanna ruin the farm of other players so they took the necessary time for that, the time YOU won't take! You stop other players to have fun and trying to get a better gear because YOU have decided so and you let them no choice! It's you who annoy them when you kill them during their grinding time and YOU ARE the griefer there, not the other way around, destroying their game, their buffs, their farm and their play time.

By reverso: According to Oxford Dictionaries, a "griefer" is "a person who harasses or deliberately provokes other players or members [of an online game or community] in order to spoil their enjoyment."

-> once again, exactly what does a guy coming on purpose to ruin the farm of another player, without any consideration other than their own.

In real life nobody would be toxic that way. Nor while parking a car, neither in the supermarket where a smaller person is before you. Would you dfs him so you would take his spot and go out faster of the shop?

If you're civilized usually, how come you're not in the game?

Griefers like that are toxic. Definitely. Let the people farm quietly and kindly on their spots already. And if you don't, call yourself a griefer!

Karma system is there to avoid that and it's a good thing. No wonder why PA made it... They even made it harder with time. Maybe you should wonder why.