its not complicated is it, how hard is it not to flag up and attack someone its like people on the forums lack the basic understanding of how to solve the problem without all these excuses and wacky ideas

Right?

It also makes me chuckle when people GVG because a member was "kama bombing". 

GVG should be a mutual agreed upon thing. People been exploiting it to get around the karma system for too long. 

GvG should be used for things like a guild griefing another guilds Khan event or something like that however with Khan thats no longer a possibility. Using GvG as a way to evade the karma system should be considered an exploit and repeat offenders should probably be punished for it. In my opinion people who repeatedly abuse GvG to evade getting negative karma should have their accounts wiped or at the very least be banned from using the guild system

Its also concerning how toxic the forums are, whenever anything is suggested people just come up with excuses or overly complex solutions that will never happen, Its understandable why game devs ignore forums since it just turns into a cesspool or people arguing especially when it comes to changes that would only benefit players by things like removing restrictions on accessing the olvia server and people on the forums cant help themselves but come up with strange concepts and make constant excuses and bad faith arguements against it. Not even sure if the majority of people on the forums even play the game or they are just on here to argue and stir the pot.

Your acting like you dont play bdo with this comment ngl lmao

Nope. You are wrong and I explained why. But actualy you care only for your situation - youve been PKed and now you want restrictions no matter the harm to other people.

Not really, I don't want restriction of any kind.

I'm not the one complaining about the system here. I'm fine with it. It only bothers those who pk.

1) GvG is a legal move to declare war on another guild for whatever reasons. Exploit to evade karma system? Big fat... BRUH? What do you mean?

2) "Thief yells: Catch the thief." Classic. Demands to change the game from it's original concept for egoistical needs aren't taken lightly usually. Let alone ignoring obvious facts and common sense.

You are not honest. If you dont want any restrictions that means you would like Arsha with no death penalties on PvE death.

And basicaly you defend karmabombing. Which most of us hate. And I wrote clearly that is not good to luse karma for defending the spot.

PvP for spot is great but there should be rules to it to not abuse it. In any directions. And DFS is the best solution for now. But not everyone apply it. And there should not. One should be in his right to defend the spot, same as one have the right to challenge it. Its ok for contestant to have penaltyes, that why he will think is it worth it before act. We talking about PvP. But when contestant deside to grief by mob stealing the defender only option is to kill him. (some classes cant outgrind other, and in any case its lose in income) So why should defendent risk crystals and enchantment?

Its clear that karma system has flaws. Even the devs admited it. So any ideas are welcome. The problem is that carmabombers defend this system, because its their tool to abuse and grief. You may not like it, but there must be some cost for both sides. Simply because many people dont have any code or respect.

And again I will bring again DFS. Its the best solution so far, works perfectly with some rare caces. And thats from person who use DFS only to defend. But must admit it kills some part of the freedom in the game. And my personal opinion is that flag system is the best solution. It will be abused too but benefits are mor important - if you are flaged you dont lose karma on PvP death and you lose nothing on PvE death. Also if you copy Lineage 2 - PKer to drop gear on the ground, this will bring a lot more in PvP. Also those hard obtained PENs would be better to be in someone else hand than degraded ;)

The reduced karma lose could be good, if the player who activates PvP is in this spot on this channel for a certain time.

So, if Player A is grinding on a spot and channel for like 30 minutes and kills player B, because player B tries to steal the spot, the reduced karma lose for multiple kills is a nice option.

But if it's the other way around and player B is grinding on the spot and channel for +30 minutes and player A kills player B to steal the spot, the karma lose should increase (or at least not decrease) for multiple kills.

So, if they can some kind of Spot-time-trigger to it, I'm totaly fine with it. If not, I'm against it.

Because if they would implement it without a spot-time-trigger, situation 2 will happen a lot more as it happens today.

No, it's not!

Best solution is "first come, first serve"!