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Guild Point system for payouts being the most useless update
Jan 18, 2023, 19:37 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 23, 2023, 15:25 (UTC)
# 11
Écrit le : 23 janv. 2023, 14:24 (UTC), par : Myou

Please just go back to the old system. It's was trash but it was better then what was just put in.

i believe we still have the old system. You can ignore this update by just selecting the tiers manually like old times.

Écrit le : 20 janv. 2023, 16:00 (UTC), par : Evellein

@Fluffy

There is tens of threads focused on guilds, guild systems and what should be changed. None of those got any official response. 

Guilds are basically main reason why people play together - cuz most of party spots just suck in money and aren't worth the bother - yet we all get ignored about changes we want for years. 

sadly bdo is mainly a single player game. There is almost nothing to do together. In the guilds i did, the guild was only used to get people on discord while playing the same game. Except few grinding spots and now dungeons... sad. i ended up doing my own one man guild using plebs for guildpoints until i have buffs.
It's really a shame that GM's and CM's have no power to make things move and follow up on bugs/suggestions. 
This feedbackboard is a joke.

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Last Edit : Jan 23, 2023, 15:44 (UTC)
# 12

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 00:49 (UTC)
# 13

This system is the most unecessary and convoluded addition to guilds i seen in any mmo UTTER F TIER CHANGE. You took a system that allowed guild leaders to set appropiate pays to who they needed it and replaced it with a system that leaves very little control and is actually MORE work on the leader. If your gonna do a system like this at least make it so the entire thing is automated or just put the old system back that allowed the people who know what was going on in there guild the ability to reward whats going on. Who ever suggested this really should stay away from suggesting things cuz this is worst  then any Other MMO i playeds guild system in the past 20+ years of playing mmorpgs. And that says alot considering i started  in the 90s.

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 02:47 (UTC)
# 14

Yeah revert this crap and try again, maybe talk to Guild Leaders from several types of guilds and from several regions. This one size fits all payout system doesn't fit any body lol some guilds still do sea monster hunting loot turn ins, some pay for recruitment, some pay for coaching other players, or chat activity, the list goes on.  Why can't the game track sea monster loot deposits and mission participation??

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ChunMeow
Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 05:03 (UTC)
# 15
On: Jan 24, 2023, 02:47 (UTC), Written by Bear

Yeah revert this crap and try again, maybe talk to Guild Leaders from several types of guilds and from several regions. This one size fits all payout system doesn't fit any body lol some guilds still do sea monster hunting loot turn ins, some pay for recruitment, some pay for coaching other players, or chat activity, the list goes on.  Why can't the game track sea monster loot deposits and mission participation??

This.  I would love to be able to NOT pay inactives, adjust rolls in guild, etc.  The new payout system might get me the 0 payout on lurkers, but the majority of my guildies don't take their daily pay, not 1 has put in for bonus pay.  Also the only way to give extra points is to give to all.  I can't give extra to those that give extra effort.  Or to the ones that 'win' when we have our different competitions (race to Maegu 63, most Candi Shells, etc).  I'm not too fussed about who does guild missions, they already get extra bonus automatically with 'Collect Wage' and I can see who is depositing mission rewards in the bank, see who is maxed on activitiy.  I'd be happy to be able to set permissions on guild bank and popping/collecting guild missions, have a 0 tier level for payouts. Definitely take a leaf's ability to clear out the guild bank.  

PLEASE read your forums and listen to the Guild Leader / Officer suggestions!!

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 16:22 (UTC)
# 16

The recent changes to guild payouts have not been a help to GM's it only increases the headache of doing payouts. A simple system would of been to allow GM's to pay the people that contribute nothing - nothing and more flexibility to pay bonus payouts to those that go above and beyond.

What you have done by adding a points based system is allowed people to place a ticket which then needs to be approved by the GM/Secretary.. if for instance you award 10 points for completion of a guild mission but 3 people jump in on that guild mission eg. XL x1000 Water Mission... Person A collects x800 - Person B - x150 - Person C x50 and this happens multiple times, you may feel as a GM it doesn't warrant payment of the full points to Person C but the member does so all it does is cause altercations between GM's and members. 

We still need to keep a record of who does what seperately to ensure that the incoming requests are legitimate and so you can ensure a fair payout to all involved. 

Say you want to set a catagory for Guild Drills.. well if Person A puts in x2000 blackstones and x20 tears and Person B adds x1 blackstone.. again as a GM you want to be able to reward the ones who contribute more than those who contribute less. You can't put both of these people in the same catagory and award them the same points.
It needs either removing or a serious rework.

Last Edit : Jan 27, 2023, 13:58 (UTC)
# 17

Now that there has been over 7 days of trial and error with this new point system, It is sad to say that this has been 98% error system.
I agree with all comments above and believe that there needs to be much more communications between PA and the guild masters/advisors before new systems are being pushed out.. Considering that it is the guild masters and advisors requesting for these ‘improvements’ , there for, we understand and know what will help us within the guild functions. 

Please improve/add.. And possibly have some communication with us.

` remove the limited ticket submittance from 2 to unlimited.

` provide a notification when, there is a request for points and who approved the points.
` rework the current track system for guild mission completion, to show participation % of each attendee. 

` option to remove points

` not to allow expired contract members request or receive points 

` rather then just a “Distribute points to all guild members” option, adjust to give points to ‘selected’ guild members OR whole guild. 

` add back the auto-reset payout levels 

` allow a 0 - 10  FULL adjustable tier,  to select individual guild member for silver amount payout. So payout could actually be given to those who have TRUE activity with in the guild for multiple reasons and zero payout for those members that give zero/minuet activity 

` also allow a 0 - 5 FULL adjustable tier to select individual guild member for silver amount in the guild allowance.

` remove the guild bonus tax .. like for real this is just dumb. The guild already pays a weekly tax on balance. No need to DBL dip 

` Allow option for Guild master / advisor to force out of game 30d member on ‘vacation’ rather then kick from guild. 

` Allow an option for the Guild master / advisor to Merc out of guild

` Allow for guild bosses to be done more then once a week

` Have the Guild Boss Subjugation NOT count toward the 10 daily Guild missions 

` Remove the 10min wait refresh timer after completing a Misson. 

` new Role Secretary. This role was to be mirror of the Advisor. Atm the role has less then an officer commands and less then general player commands. 

Last Edit : Sep 2, 2023, 11:15 (UTC)
# 18

Most importantly, give Guild Master full rights, to set up the restrictions of the Guild Members and restrictions and permissions to the ranking system.

It happend first time few weeks ago, a freaking sociopath in the guild was general member and stole the whole guild storage content and left.. You PA did nothing after a very reasonable support ticket of mine.. 

With all those ideas already mentioned above, this should be at least one of the most important one:

TO GIVE GUILD MASTER PERMISSION TO SET RESTRICTIONS ON RANKS!!!

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Mare
Last Edit : Sep 2, 2023, 11:18 (UTC)
# 19

Atm it feels like the whole guild system here is a pile of trash without big love of development, compared on looking at other MMO´s who implemented this very simple and effective

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Mare
Last Edit : Sep 2, 2023, 13:31 (UTC)
# 20

It is a useless system. In my old guild, my advisor and I found ourselves with MORE work than before. Constantly battling fake requests, keeping track of activity, and trying to balance everything out. It was a waste of time.

We went back to just mentally keeping track of who was doing guild missions. It was always the same half dozen people anyway. And we did payouts manually as before.

All I want is a UI to see currently active missions on any server, who took the mission, and who is working on it. Every guild has issues of officers taking missions on an irregular server and forgetting about them, or not telling anyone and their power goes out or something.

I also want to see more max acceptable missions for larger guilds. And if a mission is forefit before anything starts on it then it shouldn't count against your daily quota.

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