How dare you state blatantly obvious facts on these forums.  That's my job!!!! Did you notice what happened though? 

You see when I state the exact same thing forum trolls try to dog pile and argue even OBVIOUS OBJECTIVE FACTS are simply not true based on WHO said them ;)

Also "being a guildess karma bomber" doesn't circumvent karma.  It simply disables others from abusing war declare so THEY circumvent karma.

Also note the main reason why all of your suggestions are not a good solution is because you are not addressing the core issue.  You want to submit ideas based on a VERY BAD PREMISE.  What you fail to do it recognize BDO has a very large population and there is a distinct difference between those that want to CONSENT to PVP and those that don't

Which is why PVP servers have always been the best solution.  It's literally a WIN/WIN for everyone.  While all the other systems are at best WIN/FAIL.

NO ONE including Pearl Abyss should break the standard and try to get people to do things they do not want to participate in.  This can be demonstrated in many ways such as the recent changes to the mana potion.  Previously it was required to life skill in order to obtain this critical item.  Something many people didn't want to do.  They did not want to invest a bunch of time into getting up their mastery and life skill just so they could do combat properly.  Thus Pearl Abyss gave people an option to grind mobs for the potion.  They DID NOT say "to heck with these customers, this potion was ORIGINALY created with a life skill requirment, therefore it can't be changed.  They chose the CORRECT answer to let the CUSTOMER decide what's BEST FOR THEM.  SIMPLE.  

Fun fact. Guild war dec is a given tool to fight against another guild for various legit reasons. Including a dispute over a grindspot.

Works as intended... Nothing illegal.

*Yawn* Boring.  "nothing illegal"?  Is that your sad way to work around the statement 

"war decs circumvent karma".  Notice how I said the trolls would disagree when I SAY IT LOL

More competent developers already addressed this issue decades ago.  A one way declaration in many cases actually gives some advantage such as less penalties for dying.  What it ABSOLUTELY UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCE does is allow bypassing the entire Karma System.

You LOST THIS ARGUEMENT OVER 20 YEARS AGO LOL.

Yep. Works as intended. :) Thanks for confirming it.

I agree Karma Bombing is working as intended.  Pearl Abyss put it into the game and all the rules around it.

Glad we could agree.

The shovel exploit was working as intended also.  Pearl Abyss designed it that way, therefore it was intended ;)

Do you have ANY IDEA how hard you just got /SERVED!!!!!!!!!!!

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I don't see where he lost this argument 20 years ago... what are you talking about?

He's right, it's the system, was dec, as karma bombing, as mob feeding, as choosing to be in a guild or not... all of those are game mechanics.

Yet, they are all allowed.

LMAO the childish answer from a genius...Hes thesis is falling apart I guess :)

I'm glad you used the term "allowed" and NOT intended.  You CAN Karma Bomb and you CAN Mob Feed.  That does NOT mean either was INTENDED or WANTED.

Pearl Abyss didn't create any of this.  They just copied other games from decades ago.  Those games PROPERLY designed their systems. 

In an actual PVP game where the developers gave a $#%$% you can't UNFLAG in the middle of combat.  Game design 101 should tell you that.  If your TERRIBLE and completely IRRESPONSIBLE you create a jank inferior trash system which is what BDO is.

Ashes of Creation pointed out in their design the difference between a one way war declaration and two party.  Because they actually took a second to think about it insteading of focusing all of their efforts on P2W garbage.  Pearl Abyss doesn't give a #%$#%$% about the quality.  They put in infinite iframe, infinite grapple loops, 100-0 class imbalance, and so much more trash.  They don't care about a MAJOR exploit in the declare system lol.  They CARE whether they can sucker you into buying RNG items to defeat your opponent and hope you keep pumping money into the FOTM/New class lol.  It's NO SECRET.

Also it's not just about exploiting the karma system.  It's absolutely idoitic to allow a substantially more powerful clan to just face plant a smaller clan.  Clans are NO DIFFERENT in that aspect to solo players.  They rely on the karma system to protect them from being stomped.  How bad of a developer do you have to be to allow THE STRONGEST clans on the server to just BASH in nearly any clan on the server.  If that doesn't sound like an idiotic thing to allow you have much more serious issues to address.

Got anything else to say? No? Bye.

Also I apologyze to Harth for this offtopic in his topic for "DFS feature". :/

I only am going to say that I am not a fan of it either.

Wouldn't the very definition of childish be writing something like this?................

"LMAO the childish answer from a genius...Hes thesis is falling apart I guess :)"

Why didn't you write, I know you are, but what am I?

But THANK YOU.  Thank you for demonstrating the attitude and behavior of the BDO community and WHY Pearl Abyss CAN NOT trust their player base to monitor itself.  I couldn't have given a better example myself, thank you.

It's that kind of toxic childish attitude that resulted in Olivia being such a mess Pearl Abyss had to REMOVE PVP from the entire server ;)