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Did they ever add PVE servers?
Jan 22, 2023, 08:27 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 20:23 (UTC)
# 61

I know a lot of PVE players that buy every bank slot, gab slot, custome and more in Guild Wars 2, Lost Ark and WOW. The only thing that stops them from playing Black Desert Online is the forced Character Griefing and PVP.

I would even pay a one time fee to access PVE servers or roll it into a buff like Blessing of Kamasylve. It could just be like Olvia without the restrictions. If Pearl Abyss ever feels the need for a new player base ready and willing to spend money. PVE servers would be the way to go.

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 20:22 (UTC)
# 62
On: Jan 24, 2023, 09:27 (UTC), Written by JackBelling

Naturally you didn't answer the question of why they removed PVP from World bosses.  Instead you tried a "what about ism" or "I know you are, but what am I" tactic.  Not very compelling.

However, since I am so much better at addressing issues and telling the truth.

The removal of exp loss ok PK - less focus on OWPVP

Pearl Abyss not being interested in provoking more PK - less focus on OWPVP

The removal of PVP during world bosses - less focus on OWPVP

The reduction of trade items lost on PK - less focus on OWPVP

The introduction of private instnaces - less focus on OWPVP

A larger game world with more grind rotations - less focus on OWPVP

The specific intent directly from Pearl Abyss to create rotations that do not overlap or interfere - less focus on OWPVP

Shifting PVP rewards to RBF/Solare - less focus on OWPVP

Increased karma penalties - less focus on OWPVP

I'm sure I missed tons of examples.  It appears everything Pearl Abyss has release sinced it's existance has been AWAY from OWPVP not toward it ;)

I know THOSE FACTS are ignored by the forum warriors like a political debate where you just pretend your opponents words never matter, but they are FACTS and they don't care about your feelings ;)

Lets bring down the hammer and FINISH HIM!!!

The Valencia desert was to be the dangerous PVP zone for BDO.  Except NOTHING was added to it and it become OUT DATED old content.  ALL new regions and grind zones ABANDONDED that so called "MAJOR FOCUS in BDO".

You're equating PK to PvP from the onset, but that false equivalency causes you to dismantle yourself, when you can't even get a base-level concept right from the beginning.  KEK.

Everything you've stated coincides with PA's stated goals when it comes to PK and PvP.  Keep in mind, it's been said to you 2 million times, but you still don't get it.  Major L on your part there, but the devs have stated that, essentially, PvP and PK are not synonymous.  PK is, oftentimes, illogial and unwarranted PK'ing of another player.  Every change they've made that you mentioned circumvents an illogical action.  PvP is more logical.  Like grind spot contention via GvG, for example.  There is a reason for PvP to take place, and which reason abides by the game's rules and structure.  They want to keep a somewhat free PvP system on the field, but do not want to encourage PK, which is why they said they won't be changing how the Karma System works in any major way -- they did, however, say they're aware that it can be abused and are thinking of ways to address it.

Those chages are meant to minimize PK.  It creates a healthier game enviroment for all while keeping BDO's core principles and gameplay in tact.  PK can be toxic and there are many things that discourage toxic PK.  The changes you've mentioned all do their job in minimizing PK, but do not affect PvP in a major way.  Again, since you probably will miss it again -- PK and PvP are NOT synonymous.

Not sure what you're trying to say with your Valencia statement because you don't directly say your stance, merely that the content hasn't been updated.  Like, yeah it hasn't been updated, but what does that even mean?  There's tons of content that doesn't get updated, even on PvE side.  Take open water harpooning, for example.  Does that mean PA doesn't care about lifeskills?  What are you even on?  If your opinion is that PA doesn't care about OWPvP with the Valencia statement, there's evidence to show otherwise, which you've missed.  Like Abandoned Monastary boss spawns.

Maybe stop wrecking yourself, bud.  KEKW.

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 20:23 (UTC)
# 63
On: Jan 24, 2023, 20:18 (UTC), Written by Josiah

I know a lot of PVE players that buy every bank slot, gab slot, custome and more in Guild Wars 2, Lost Ark and WOW. The only thing that stops them from playing Black Desert Online is the forced Character Griefing and PVP. If there was a PVE mode PVE server I can see a lot of players making the switch.

I would even pay a one time fee to access PVE servers. I would even be willing to pay for Blessing of Kamasylve if it included access to PVE servers like Olvia without the restrictions. If Pearl Abyss ever feels the need for a new player base willing to spend money. PVE servers are a great way to do that.

BDO is an PvEvP, Open World, sandbox MMO.  GW2, WoW, and LA are instance-based themepark MMO's.  Very different types of games.

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 21:47 (UTC)
# 64
On: Jan 24, 2023, 20:18 (UTC), Written by Josiah

PVE servers would be the way to go.

It's already out of the question.

Last Edit : Jan 24, 2023, 22:07 (UTC)
# 65
On: Jan 24, 2023, 20:18 (UTC), Written by Josiah

I know a lot of PVE players that buy every bank slot, gab slot, custome and more in Guild Wars 2, Lost Ark and WOW. The only thing that stops them from playing Black Desert Online is the forced Character Griefing and PVP.

I would even pay a one time fee to access PVE servers or roll it into a buff like Blessing of Kamasylve. It could just be like Olvia without the restrictions. If Pearl Abyss ever feels the need for a new player base ready and willing to spend money. PVE servers would be the way to go.

Well, the idea that many players may jump on BDO if there were a pure pve setting have been suggested several times by players on these forums. 

But the question is : how many players would they lose in the process?

Things are more complicated than a simple "new setting = more players". 

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 12:50 (UTC)
# 66
On: Jan 24, 2023, 20:18 (UTC), Written by Josiah

I know a lot of PVE players that buy every bank slot, gab slot, custome and more in Guild Wars 2, Lost Ark and WOW. The only thing that stops them from playing Black Desert Online is the forced Character Griefing and PVP.

I would even pay a one time fee to access PVE servers or roll it into a buff like Blessing of Kamasylve. It could just be like Olvia without the restrictions. If Pearl Abyss ever feels the need for a new player base ready and willing to spend money. PVE servers would be the way to go.

And all of that money is still not even close to what whales pay in PvP. Sadly, whaling is what generates 90%+ of all the revenue. Those people that buy some subs or a costume or when a char comes out some weight/inv is neglectably. The players that whale every month thousands are the ones that pay and the ones that this game is catered towards.

This game lives off its competitive nature that encourages this whaling. PvE servers are against this competitive nature and will discourage spending. That little bit of extra money that could be gained from PvE servers is nowhere close to what money would be lost through whales not spending anymore.

It may come eventually, close to the death of the game, but we're still far away from that.

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Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 12:54 (UTC)
# 67
On: Jan 24, 2023, 20:22 (UTC), Written by PeaceInChaos

You're equating PK to PvP from the onset, but that false equivalency causes you to dismantle yourself, when you can't even get a base-level concept right from the beginning.  KEK.

Everything you've stated coincides with PA's stated goals when it comes to PK and PvP.  Keep in mind, it's been said to you 2 million times, but you still don't get it.  Major L on your part there, but the devs have stated that, essentially, PvP and PK are not synonymous.  PK is, oftentimes, illogial and unwarranted PK'ing of another player.  Every change they've made that you mentioned circumvents an illogical action.  PvP is more logical.  Like grind spot contention via GvG, for example.  There is a reason for PvP to take place, and which reason abides by the game's rules and structure.  They want to keep a somewhat free PvP system on the field, but do not want to encourage PK, which is why they said they won't be changing how the Karma System works in any major way -- they did, however, say they're aware that it can be abused and are thinking of ways to address it.

Those chages are meant to minimize PK.  It creates a healthier game enviroment for all while keeping BDO's core principles and gameplay in tact.  PK can be toxic and there are many things that discourage toxic PK.  The changes you've mentioned all do their job in minimizing PK, but do not affect PvP in a major way.  Again, since you probably will miss it again -- PK and PvP are NOT synonymous.

Not sure what you're trying to say with your Valencia statement because you don't directly say your stance, merely that the content hasn't been updated.  Like, yeah it hasn't been updated, but what does that even mean?  There's tons of content that doesn't get updated, even on PvE side.  Take open water harpooning, for example.  Does that mean PA doesn't care about lifeskills?  What are you even on?  If your opinion is that PA doesn't care about OWPvP with the Valencia statement, there's evidence to show otherwise, which you've missed.  Like Abandoned Monastary boss spawns.

Maybe stop wrecking yourself, bud.  KEKW.

For the community lets break this down.  This is a classic case of cognitive bias and triablism.  PeaceInChaos has chosen a side and like a political hack can only say two things.

#1 My side is right (regardless of any content or reality)

#2 The other side is wrong (regardless of any content or reality)

What Peace can't comprehend here is that he is essentially saying I am right about everything I stated.  But refer back to Rule #2 as to why he can't admit that.

Now I will demonstrate how a superior intellect responds.  Unlike a bias hack I don't need to lie about anything.  It is more correct to say PK than PVP.  However, the common terminology in discussions generally does not always separate them.  That is something HE can NEVER SAY.  Because that would break Rule #2.  So he will resort to anything including lying to prevent breaking rule #2.

So where does that leave the discussion?  It means PeaceInChaos essentially stated I am right about everything on the list, but he cant say that (#2).  Those things and many more where implemented in an effort to remove PK from the server.

The WORST part though is ideas ilke War Dec and VENDETTA.  They are a disasterous dishonest plague.  Their INTENTION is to ALLOW MORE PK and try to PRETEND it's no longer a PK because of broken mechanics.

It's a sad semantics game of trying to rename NON CONSENT fights which would be PK to PVP. 

And the BIG FAT LIE remains.  NONE of these players actually want a PVP environement.  That's ALL THAT ARSHA IS.  They want to bend and break rules so allow harassment and rotation stealing.  They want to take rotations VIA PK NOT PVP.

If you want to PK a player you go to Normal Servers

If you want to PVP a player you go to Arsha

It's THAT SIMPLE

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 13:03 (UTC)
# 68
On: Jan 25, 2023, 12:50 (UTC), Written by AZzalor

And all of that money is still not even close to what whales pay in PvP. Sadly, whaling is what generates 90%+ of all the revenue. Those people that buy some subs or a costume or when a char comes out some weight/inv is neglectably. The players that whale every month thousands are the ones that pay and the ones that this game is catered towards.

This game lives off its competitive nature that encourages this whaling. PvE servers are against this competitive nature and will discourage spending. That little bit of extra money that could be gained from PvE servers is nowhere close to what money would be lost through whales not spending anymore.

It may come eventually, close to the death of the game, but we're still far away from that.

Uh huh.  Makes a lot of sense.  The overwhelming majority of players IS ALWAYS less money than the fringe smaller sub set.

(For those that don't know the PVP community is only a SMALL fraction of the MASSIVE PVE player base)

That's a great business mind set too.  Who cares about people buying chicken sandwitches!!!!! We sell more hamburgers just KICK OUT THOSE CUSTOMERS asking for Chicken!!!  We don't need their money!

If you don't want to buy the New Jordan's GET OUT OF MY SHOE STORE.  I don't NEED YO MONEY!

It just makes sense.  PS Please PROMISE everyone you will NEVER be an accountant or handle business expenditures.

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 13:13 (UTC)
# 69
On: Jan 25, 2023, 12:53 (UTC), Written by JackBelling

For the community lets break this down.  This is a classic case of cognitive bias and triablism.  PeaceInChaos has chosen a side and like a political hack can only say two things.

#1 My side is right (regardless of any content or reality)

#2 The other side is wrong (regardless of any content or reality)

Странно. Isn't that you in the mirror? :)

The rest is a pile of pure BS out of spite to someone...

Last Edit : Jan 25, 2023, 13:19 (UTC)
# 70
On: Jan 25, 2023, 13:13 (UTC), Written by Krastonosezs

Странно. Isn't that you in the mirror? :)

The rest is a pile of pure BS out of spite to someone...


Good that I hit refresh button. Was copied the exact same and about to post it, with only his name in it. Do you notice how his intelects failing more and more. Its the same with every Name he uses. Intelects fails him rapidly but ego is busting. And things get worse and worse before he gets his ban. I wonder if he realy try to make some point, because at the end no one realy cares what he is saying, evryone thing he is just a troll. Must be frustrating to repeat same bs all this years and the only thing that he achieves is ban. And some laughs.

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