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potential solutions for unreliable Ion generation skills in PVP
Feb 7, 2023, 06:41 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Feb 7, 2023, 06:41 (UTC)
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Consider adding a reliable Ion generation skill beyond Prime: Brimbolt Raze, excluding 100% and 200% due to inconsistent usage and a long 30-minute cooldown. Possible options include:

  1. Making Abyssal Fang SA or adding SA to it with Prime: Dragon's Fury, while also removing stiff.
  2. Making Prime Skewer with FG or SA and making the Knockback PVE only. While the Damage decrease for Succ Drak is acceptable, both skills are difficult to use in PVP encounters beyond 1v1 due to frequent CC and desync issues. Attempts to follow with protected skills often result in desync into a CC, even when the skill goes into cooldown and the SA is shown as activated client-side. This leaves spamming Prime: Brimbolt Raze as the only reliable option for drakania in 1vX fights. This discourages gameplay and goes against the character's designed purpose for resource generation.
Last Edit : Feb 7, 2023, 09:39 (UTC)
# 2

You are looking for a solution on a non existant problem.

Ions not being generable in PvP is a bandaid fix by PA. Obviously the proper solution would be hard nerfing the damage on ion skills but the devs are kinda suck so they instead nerfed ion generation.

Regardless such nice have no place in PvP, they should completely make ions PvE only.

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Last Edit : Feb 7, 2023, 10:41 (UTC)
# 3
On: Feb 7, 2023, 09:39 (UTC), Written by CatDK

You are looking for a solution on a non existant problem.

Ions not being generable in PvP is a bandaid fix by PA. Obviously the proper solution would be hard nerfing the damage on ion skills but the devs are kinda suck so they instead nerfed ion generation.

Regardless such nice have no place in PvP, they should completely make ions PvE only.

Succ Drakania doesn't work properly without ions. Having no protected skill to generate ions makes this class quite difficult to play. Succ already got nerfed hard on dmg and ion generation to a point where succ drak is like succ dk but needs ions to properly function. 

I'd suggest to add 3 ions generated to Markthanans Dominion. It's a nice skill to use. It's not like you can spam it to easily generate ions, but it would remove some of the pressure of generating ions.

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Last Edit : Feb 7, 2023, 11:38 (UTC)
# 4
On: Feb 7, 2023, 10:41 (UTC), Written by AZzalor

Succ Drakania doesn't work properly without ions. Having no protected skill to generate ions makes this class quite difficult to play. Succ already got nerfed hard on dmg and ion generation to a point where succ drak is like succ dk but needs ions to properly function. 

I'd suggest to add 3 ions generated to Markthanans Dominion. It's a nice skill to use. It's not like you can spam it to easily generate ions, but it would remove some of the pressure of generating ions.

Except the fact that they did not nerfed her damage by anything, they only nerfed the ion generation, hence why it's a bandaid fix. While it definetly killed the spec for the lower tier players, we can't really expect proper balance from PA sadly.

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Last Edit : Feb 7, 2023, 12:48 (UTC)
# 5
On: Feb 7, 2023, 11:38 (UTC), Written by CatDK

Except the fact that they did not nerfed her damage by anything, they only nerfed the ion generation, hence why it's a bandaid fix. While it definetly killed the spec for the lower tier players, we can't really expect proper balance from PA sadly.

Yes, damage was nerfed on some skills, althought not a lot. Then stamina was nerfed. Marthanans scale was nerfed and obviously ions were nerfed.

It turned the class into a way slower class that can, with preparation, deal very high dmg, but without prep time or in prolonged fights she loses like 30-40% of her dmg. Compare that to other classes like dk, musa or zerker, that deal that dmg constantly without any prep time, it clearly shows that there is something wrong. Not only that but her heal passive relies on ions, especially against grab classes. If you are charging a skill, you are quite easy to grab, especially with how fast some classes move and grab.

Drakania is supposed to be a frontline bruiser that goes in and keeps dealing dmg while healing. With the insane dmg in this game and only 1 iframe available, this becomes very difficult against any skilled player.

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Last Edit : Feb 7, 2023, 14:01 (UTC)
# 6
On: Feb 7, 2023, 10:41 (UTC), Written by AZzalor

Succ Drakania doesn't work properly without ions. Having no protected skill to generate ions makes this class quite difficult to play. Succ already got nerfed hard on dmg and ion generation to a point where succ drak is like succ dk but needs ions to properly function. 

I'd suggest to add 3 ions generated to Markthanans Dominion. It's a nice skill to use. It's not like you can spam it to easily generate ions, but it would remove some of the pressure of generating ions.

dude, drakania is arguably still overtuned.
https://youtu.be/ttHrH4v-qzo
it aint designed to constantly pump put nukes, it needs to have limiting factor somehow since tankines, class mods and selfsustain are hardly it.

Last Edit : Feb 9, 2023, 08:56 (UTC)
# 7

I dont see the problem with drak's ion skills doing incredible damage. This is a slow melee class with no grab and she mainly wins fights by trading big hits into other classes. If she cant have huge damage on her slow skills, what is she supposed to be able to bring to the table?

Last Edit : Feb 9, 2023, 16:03 (UTC)
# 8

For sustained fights it'd be nice if the E skill was FG/SA (probably FG, so it can be punished), removing the CC and upping the cooldown to like 10s so it can't be spammed. Would give her a bit more uptime, while not totally removing the need to sometimes be forced to pull out to regen ions outside of the battle.

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Last Edit : Feb 13, 2023, 10:03 (UTC)
# 9
On: Feb 7, 2023, 13:56 (UTC), Written by WhySoSeeryus

dude, drakania is arguably still overtuned.
https://youtu.be/ttHrH4v-qzo
it aint designed to constantly pump put nukes, it needs to have limiting factor somehow since tankines, class mods and selfsustain are hardly it.

Ah again, here you come with a random video as "evidence" that a class is overtuned. Any class can do what is done in the clip.

The problem with drakania is that you need to build ions first. You have one skill that is somewhat usable to do that during fights. 6sec cd with 3 ions generated per use -> 36 seconds to build ions for one dmg rotation. In a game as fast as bdo, this is just stupid. She is supposed to go in and fight while jumping around, dodging and taking dmg. But this does not work without ions.

Tell me any other class that needs a 36 second preparation time outside of big buff skills for it to work in pvp. Why even bother playing drakania when i can just play succ dk and have more dmg without preparation time while also being nearly untouchable due to iframe spam.

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