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So why does Maegu have so many protected ccs?
Feb 10, 2023, 14:55 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 30, 2023, 16:25 (UTC)
# 11
On: Feb 10, 2023, 16:44 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

No s block, no q block and no grab is probably why i assume

Can I trade all of these off my Main for a busted fully protected kit? Thx.

Last Edit : Apr 17, 2023, 15:05 (UTC)
# 12

Mugu is prol the class corsair should have been. haha. I was into corsair for a sec, but then it's like ehh... cuz she's not a ranger. Mugu is a ranger. Or at least mid. Can strike at decent range. All those classes they are giving basically "v"s to, tho, that's funny. However, the ranger class jump is pretty nuts, too, when used correctly. I have yet to succ mine, but I have high hopes for that class. If a class comes in and is good... and different, don't be like PLZ NERF, cuz there are good classes that are NOT different. Unless it's breaking da gam.

Last Edit : Apr 17, 2023, 17:51 (UTC)
# 13
On: Feb 11, 2023, 05:22 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

People gave up on AoS , people are getting annoyed with to much capped content what do you expect? All the musas are in sieges an nodewars since you get paid properly 

which pvp content pays properly? u earn way more money at virtually any spot per hour

Last Edit : Apr 17, 2023, 22:06 (UTC)
# 14
On: Apr 17, 2023, 17:51 (UTC), Written by WhySoSeeryus

which pvp content pays properly? u earn way more money at virtually any spot per hour

Siege if you win i guess , compared to all other pvp content its pretty accurate what i said.

Last Edit : Apr 18, 2023, 05:08 (UTC)
# 15
On: Feb 11, 2023, 05:22 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

People gave up on AoS , people are getting annoyed with to much capped content what do you expect? All the musas are in sieges an nodewars since you get paid properly 

I am not annoyed by it. I am annoyed by the fact that PA refused to give decent rewards with AoS. Why bother with AoS at all to be fair. 

OnTopic: just delete Maegu. 

Last Edit : Apr 18, 2023, 13:12 (UTC)
# 16

Altho being real I copied my weps to mugu and their dmg is pretty nuts lol. I didn't think I could out dmg my succ ranger (at lvl 58.) Pretty sure I not only can, but with much fewer button presses and the difference is statistically significant.

So yeah... I dunno about dat dmg. I support the class tho.

Last Edit : Apr 18, 2023, 19:46 (UTC)
# 17

Rilok explained it very well, IMO the best explanation, of what determines a class' strength in BDO.  Put simply, a class' strength can be guaged on 3 main categories:

1) Damage (burst, sustained, base stats, multipliers, attack modifiers, CC options, etc.)

2) Survivability (utilization of SA, FG, iframes, defense modifiers, class base stats, etc.)

3) Mobility

How I interpret this is, you can rank each class' strength by grading them on an A - F scale in each of these categories and the ratio can be compared to other classes to find what is OP or what is underperforming. 

For example:  Let us use Succession Ranger.  Grades are give and take based on my personal opinion, yours may vary.  Damage - A+++.  Survivability - B+ - F (when accounting for range as protection in group PvP, in 1v1, it's an F).  Mobility - C- (able to kite while doing damage/CC, but unable to outrun fast classes).

In my opinion, Succession Ranger is "decently balanced", in that, while she is a monster in group PvP, she's very low tier in 1v1 scenarios.  Albeit, a good Succ Ranger "has potential" to deal with many people in 1v1's, but assuming equal skill and gear, most all classes can relatively deal with Succ Ranger quite easily in 1v1.  But in group PvP, Succ Ranger is top tier for her raw damage output, her ability to make amazing use of high vantage points (where she can rain down absurd DPS while being perched in a spot where she can't be reached by the majority of other classes), and ability to play around her team, offering backline artillery and ranged snipes during ball v ball engages.  My verdict = balanced decently well, bit overtuned in group PvP, but her lacking 1v1 is an acceptible compromise (well, lacking, if assuming equal skill and gear...if a Succ Ranger is overgeared and plays well, she does have the potential to be a nightmare to undergeared players of lesser skill).

Compare that to Maegu.

Damage = A+

Suvivability = A+

Mobility = A+

Class tops the charts in each of these three categories.  Let's compare other very strong classes.

Succ Zerker.  Damage = A+, Survivability = B+ - A, Mobility = A.  Again, your personal scores may vary from my observation, but I'm sure yours will be around the same as mine.

Awakening Musa.  Damage = A.  Survivability = B - A.  Mobility = A+.  Again, we see why this class is so strong right now.

How about Awakening Sorc?  My babe.  Again, this is assuming equal gear and skill, comparing to the rest of the classes.  Damage = B - A (high combo ability for 1v1, respectable burst damage -- albeit her burst leaves her immobile during cast).  Survivability = B+ - A (naturally very squishy, but scales well with evasion [albeit, when doing so, will sacrifice damage] and has the best iframes in the game).  Mobility = C - D good close quarters mobility (this is skewed more on Survivability's favor, since it's her iframes), very bad long distance mobility (covers more or equal ground when running with weapon sheathed, using less stamina in the process of sprinting).

Let's look at low tier classes.

Shai (easiest one to gauge).  Damage = F.  Survivability = D - F.  Mobility = F.  Only reason I give her a D - F for survivability is because Shai has high base HP and most Shais run defense builds in group PvP.  But at equal gear and skill, defintely an F.

So yeah Maegu is top tier in all 3 categories, IMO.  The reason she's got so many protected CC's is because she's PA's money maker right now.  You can say no s block.  Sure.  But the more realistic answer, IMO, is she's FoTM-cash-cow-milk-the-rerollers type of stuff right now.  No other reason she would be more than capable in all three main categories of class-strength.

Last Edit : Apr 20, 2023, 07:26 (UTC)
# 18

^ I think Ranger has more mobility than you give her credit for having, otherwise you'd be just raw food. You end up getting farmed, but you can get away. I suck at 1v1, but I think I've kited 1v1 wins vs anyone who I could dmg coming in (someone who just warps in w/ FG and grab... I mean what are you gonna do if you can't break it? Nothing, not if they have a dash that can close the initial space you create with your first jump.) But if you are kinda 'fun' with your jumping, you can juke people. If you get a knock down on a poke that's muahh. Super luck tho, but sliding, hopping... it's high tier mobility, plus if you put away her wep she runs faster than almost any class can catch even with infinite dash. I mean, it's close, there are a few, but if you add in some jukes + wep out a few more hops... you probably will be OK.

But whenever she steps in she's vulnerable.

I dunno how you judge dmg, probably in a combo of sorts? I dunno, I play different, but the best actual dmg skills I have I am pretty sure I can just button mash (understanding bdo system of button mashing) on mugu, it might be cuz pve mobs and ranger can lower dp etc but their dmg in pve is nutso. Way beyond a prime blasting gust to the head lol.

Edit: def recant about dmg being more, but the succ ranger burst dmg is just that. Mugu seems to get more sustainable dmg. It still burns everything almost as fast without having to jump inside of mobs; again, w/ less AP and no awk wep.

Last Edit : Apr 21, 2023, 21:03 (UTC)
# 19
On: Apr 18, 2023, 22:42 (UTC), Written by Maltie

^ I think Ranger has more mobility than you give her credit for having, otherwise you'd be just raw food. You end up getting farmed, but you can get away. I suck at 1v1, but I think I've kited 1v1 wins vs anyone who I could dmg coming in (someone who just warps in w/ FG and grab... I mean what are you gonna do if you can't break it? Nothing, not if they have a dash that can close the initial space you create with your first jump.) But if you are kinda 'fun' with your jumping, you can juke people. If you get a knock down on a poke that's muahh. Super luck tho, but sliding, hopping... it's high tier mobility, plus if you put away her wep she runs faster than almost any class can catch even with infinite dash. I mean, it's close, there are a few, but if you add in some jukes + wep out a few more hops... you probably will be OK.

But whenever she steps in she's vulnerable.

I dunno how you judge dmg, probably in a combo of sorts? I dunno, I play different, but the best actual dmg skills I have I am pretty sure I can just button mash (understanding bdo system of button mashing) on mugu, it might be cuz pve mobs and ranger can lower dp etc but their dmg in pve is nutso. Way beyond a prime blasting gust to the head lol.

Edit: def recant about dmg being more, but the succ ranger burst dmg is just that. Mugu seems to get more sustainable dmg. It still burns everything almost as fast without having to jump inside of mobs; again, w/ less AP and no awk wep.

Yeah, damage was just judged based on anecdotal evidence.  Succ Rangers melt me, doesn't seem I can ever build enough evasion to be tanky against Succ Rangers in RBF, but again, I know a lot of people are running high AP with double or more accuracy accessory nowadays.  The only way I can reliably get a kill on a Succ Ranger is by flanking them, since you guys are usually behind everyone and/or perched on a rooftop lol, as you should be.  I tagged Succ Ranger for a little while, class is really fun, and damage just felt great.  Her positioning tactic is unique.

Maegu though.  Class is just bonkers lol.  Maybe she's easier to deal with if your class has a grab?  IDK.  I have a Striker tagged, but don't play him much.  If Maegu / Woosa Awakening is OP, I might try tagging them.  FoTM-META-reroller life here we come lol.

Last Edit : Apr 21, 2023, 21:58 (UTC)
# 20
On: Apr 17, 2023, 22:06 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

Siege if you win i guess , compared to all other pvp content its pretty accurate what i said.

even siege win is less money per hour than grinding assuming some 2 hour fight + consumable costs

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