Remove Old Moon/Kama and add their buffs to the value pack
Feb 16, 2023, 01:01 (UTC)
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# 21
On: Feb 17, 2023, 21:04 (UTC), Written by Veltas
I regret this, but I doubt they will ever change the separated value pack, kama blessing, Book of Old Moon.
They have different durations, and the in-game events hand out small amounts of time for each of these buffs in different durations as well. This means that the buffs are very likely to expire at different times, which is very useful from a cash shop perspective.
When one of the buffs expires and the player notices it, they are likely to visit the pearl shop to see what their options are for continuing the buff. Because all 3 buffs have separate durations and are staggered, this means the player is likely to visit the pearl shop multiple different times each month. Some players don't value the buff benefits as much (for example if you have all other sources of droprate, the 20% from kama blessing ends up being very minor & marginal. All of the buffs matter, but it can be reasonable to decide that they do not significantly matter.) But it is also notable that all 3 buffs have benefits for all kinds of players. It is not a though Old Moon Book is just for lifeskillers, for example - everyone could benefit from all of them.
Anyway, when one buff is expired, if the player wants to reactivate it, they require pearls to pay for a new buff. Chances are, they do not currently have enough pearls to get the buff, so they need to buy pearls. If they are buying pearls, then they have to decide how many pearls to buy. Chances are, the player will decide to buy more pearls than required to buy the buff alone. maybe they buy the next larger pearl package and get the buff that expired, as well as some other item, too.
If there was just one simple subscription with no staggered expiration dates, then there are some players who currently visit the shop multiple times a month... who would then only visit the shop once per month.
Just like how enhancing is RNG, subtly tempting & prodding the playerbase with the cash shop is RNG, too. While some folks are financially responsible and frugal, others will forget how recently they were last in the shop, and get more, and more, each time. The goal is to get people to browse & think about how to optimally spend money in the shop. The shop is a puzzle and deciding how to maximize benefits of your temporary buffs is part of that puzzle. And, once a customer is already thinking about HOW they will maximize their shop spending... well by that point they've already implicitly decided that they will spend.
I get what your saying. Although i really think that the psychology being used to manipulate people to spend more isnt healthy. Personally, and my opinion seems to be more controversial these days as a old MMO player in the view of new gamers but. Fair no bullcrap business is what companies should strive for and not use sly tactics to get users to drop more and more cash. Word of mouth is by far the best advertisement especially when you have a player of X product expressing how they dont feel cheated. Profits correlate to emotion.
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Feb 17, 2023, 21:34 (UTC)
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Am 17. Feb 2023, 20:08 (UTC), von Ephri
Now, with that in mind - they dont need a 333% increase to see equal, or profit... because no ones spending this much as it is, comprehend? all 3 buffs being inside the value pack would mean more people would be willing to drop the $15 a month to have everything, over the $65, they would see more money, it is a Win Win.
So lets say, atm 1000 players spend $65 each month for all 3 buffs, which would mean PA gets $65,000.
With combining all 3 into the VP and selling it for $15, PA would only make $15,000 from these 1000 players.
To make almost the same amount as before, instead of the 1000, 4333 players would need to buy the new value pack (4333x15=64,995).
This means an increase by 333% and does not include player which already buy the VP (whitout Old Moon and Kama), because they would get more for free.
So for every player who atm buys all 3 buffs, there have to be more then 3 players which have to buy it then and don't buy any now.
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Feb 17, 2023, 21:37 (UTC)
# 23
$15 is the gold standard for subscription games and free-to-play convenience packs. $65 / mo. is just cray-cray. The value would be there and I'd be more than happy to spend $15/mo. for all three. However, keep in mind that in subscription games like Final Fantasy, you spend $15 and you get the entire game as part of the subscription. Yes, you have to pay the what is it? $40 entry fee for the game which includes DLCs but you get everything including cosmetics. The mogstation is a gofundme for non-essential stuff that they can add to the game like improved player housing etc...
On one hand, $15/mo. without getting everything is a lot but on another hand, $15/mo. is ideal compared to $65. I won't complain about spending $15/mo. it's not much money. I ate breakfast at mc donalds the other day and it cost $20, now THAT is price gouging. Yes, that was a surprise bill and I'm not buying breakfast there again lol.
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Feb 17, 2023, 21:45 (UTC)
# 24
On: Feb 17, 2023, 21:34 (UTC), Written by Megta
So lets say, atm 1000 players spend $65 each month for all 3 buffs, which would mean PA gets $65,000.
With combining all 3 into the VP and selling it for $15, PA would only make $15,000 from these 1000 players.
To make almost the same amount as before, instead of the 1000, 4333 players would need to buy the new value pack (4333x15=64,995).
This means an increase by 333% and does not include player which already buy the VP (whitout Old Moon and Kama), because they would get more for free.
So for every player who atm buys all 3 buffs, there have to be more then 3 players which have to buy it then and don't buy any now.
Frankly i'd be shocked if more than 100 people were actually spending $65 a month on all temporary buffs. Its equal to a utility bill/internet subscription for example and in this economy currently, no way. No person in their right mind would be thrilled about $780 a year on just a mmo charge for premium exp/weight/vt/energy upgrades in game lmfao.
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Feb 17, 2023, 21:55 (UTC)
# 25
On: Feb 17, 2023, 21:45 (UTC), Written by Luss
Frankly i'd be shocked if more than 100 people were actually spending $65 a month on all temporary buffs. Its equal to a utility bill/internet subscription for example and in this economy currently, no way. No person in their right mind would be thrilled about $780 a year on just a mmo charge for premium exp/weight/vt/energy upgrades in game lmfao.
Prepare to be shocked - I know of multiple people who spend $200 every month. And I am just one person who knows their own acquaintances, and only really know what people admit. Once you get to the people who are swiping their card for costume crons & artisan memories, they fit the buffs within the leftover pearl balance after they get their 14k pearl mega hexa premium costume packs. I do not currently know people who max out their 35 costume sales per week on the market, but I know people who went through phases where they did that regularly as well.
PA makes a lot of money every year and while whales are a minority, that minority is more than 100 people.
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Feb 17, 2023, 22:18 (UTC)
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On: Feb 17, 2023, 21:55 (UTC), Written by Veltas
Prepare to be shocked - I know of multiple people who spend $200 every month. And I am just one person who knows their own acquaintances, and only really know what people admit. Once you get to the people who are swiping their card for costume crons & artisan memories, they fit the buffs within the leftover pearl balance after they get their 14k pearl mega hexa premium costume packs. I do not currently know people who max out their 35 costume sales per week on the market, but I know people who went through phases where they did that regularly as well.
PA makes a lot of money every year and while whales are a minority, that minority is more than 100 people.
So yes, i totally can picture this extreme scenario does indeed exist. I also know atleast one friend who cant control themself with costumes (for looking good). Wether or not these types of people have bad grips on finances, or have "fuck you money". Or might be a collector this is arguably a different topic and problem though.
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Feb 17, 2023, 23:14 (UTC)
# 27
It boils down to the way it is now being predatory, and not many peoplle subscribing to that price range every month, theres no reason for all 3 to be seperate, it can all be combined into a $15 30 day deal and it would ultimately benefit the game and PA's reputation much more than the amount of money they "allegedly" make extra, which even if they do, it cant be much because no one in their right mind is going to drop that kinda money every month on buffs.
Its a VERY very simple change which benefits the companies reputation and trust with its playerbase, thus when someone gets that urge to spend, they can either have the "PA's been doing good with their changes, i dont mind supporting them" or the "Fuck PA... underhanded scumbags, I'm not dropping another penny" thought process... you can decide which train of thought is going to earn them more money.
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Feb 18, 2023, 05:51 (UTC)
# 28
honestly they tend to give out a lot of these buffs for free, like normally i dont feel any need to pay for them bc i kinda just wind up with them. Buuut old moon i think is playable without, just annoying asf to change ur skill addons without it. and kama is just honestly needed unless you wanna be gimped SUUUPER hard
So I would think adding kama to value pack would be very nice, or at least just selling a pack of them together as a 30day on both, and then honestly making the old moon cheaper or making changing skill addons cheaper, bc old moon doesnt hinder you too much outside of the skill addons
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Feb 18, 2023, 08:15 (UTC)
# 30
Or just add blessing of Old Moon Packs in the pearl shop
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