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Misconception & Solution : Shai
Mar 1, 2023, 22:36 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 1, 2023, 22:39 (UTC)
# 1

Title: Misconception & Solution : Shai
Family Name: Juan

Region (NA/EU): EU

Suggestion/Comments: How to make a tag system fair for every class (Shai included)
 

What is Product Adaptation ?

Product adaptation is a strategy in which a new product is based on customizations or modifications on existing products. Product adaption looks to modify a product based on customer beliefs, preferences, culture etc. which is more popular in a particular geography or social group.

While the core product benefit remains the same, product adaption makes changes and alterations based on customer requirements.

Importance of Product Adaptation

A product is manufactured to provide a certain benefit. However, across the world, the same product can be perceived as well as consumed differently. While the core product remains the same, slight modifications can help reach out to a wider customer base. This strategy of adapting a product based on customer needs is product adaptation.

These products are sometimes internal products or they can be also competitors' product. These products don’t depend on innovations and are a mixture of previous products. It is sometimes modifying your existing product and re-launching it.

These were the basics of "Product Adaptation", now allow me to quote [GM]Altin answer to the feedback Fair Treatment of Shai's Talent Weapon, the Sol made by Blondiie

To give some context, when we designed Shai, we tried a new approach in her class development that deemphasized combat efficiency and competitiveness – and instead, placed greater focus on more unique aspects such as her musical instruments and starting life skills. This led to Shai being the only class with a Talent and the sole wielder of the talent weapon, Sol. And since her PvP and PvE were balanced around this fact, we believe her current PvE performance is at a capable level even without monster damage bonuses from the Blackstar Awakening weapon. 

Of course, we do fully understand that Adventurers may not be satisfied with this fact placing limitations on selling or copying Shai's Artina Sol. However, we hope to preserve Shai's exceptional position within the class roster of Black Desert by maintaining our original intentions behind the class. 

The misconception of Pearl Abyss vs The current approach of the Shai:

Your current product (Shai) is no longer (if it ever was) used as you intended; the "deemphasized combat efficiency and competitiveness" strategy is just not viable in BDO and will end in dead/never-used content, we've already seen it multiple times (trading/alpaca/donkey to quote some of dead content/feature).

HOWEVER due to her crazy buffs and utility (HP/Regen - AtkSpeed/MoovementSpeed - Debuff Resistance - Debuff - AP Bonus)  the same product that was designed to "deemphasized combat efficiency and competitiveness" is THE product needed by other products/classes to boost their "combat efficiency and competitiveness".

- Oluns, Gyffin Upper,Atoraxxion, NodeWar, group contents in general require a Shai to be the most efficient. ( btw you're planning to release even more group content).

So yeah Shai is definitively the most accurate description of "combat efficiency and competitiveness"

 

What i'm getting at:

You isolated the Shai (mandatory product of the products) by giving this same product a "unique" Sol weapon, while this is what make the Shai so different, this same difference is also isolate her from (in my opinion) the best feature in the game, the tag-system.

Currently Shai players have two options:

1st scenario : Shai is the main character but can't tag other classes at will (or can with the use of Awakening exchange coupon mandatory).

2nd secenario (most used) : Main a whatever class/ Tag a Shai without Awakening (but can't tag anything else).

In summary:

Either you wait for an Awakening exchange coupon to be given to you (or pay it), or you cannot play 92.3% of the classes.

Yep... The misapprehended mandatory product is gutted by 92.3% of playable classes; of course these 92.3% include the possibility to spend pearls in costums, weight, inventory space...see how much money is lost over your "unique" class policy ?

Solutions:

i'm gonna propose unique solutions, but hey you wanted a unique class, so yeah...time to deal with unique solutions:

1st solution : add the effect of the Artina Sol to every BlackStar Awakening weapons (sorc/zerker,kuno,archer, etc...), and IF the weapon is equiped by a Shai, THEN only activate/give the "BlackStar Sol effect" to the BlackStar Awakening Weapon (deactivate: +10 Extra Damage to All species / Extra AP to monster +25 & Critical Damages +2%) so we don't impact PvE perfomance as described by [GM]Altin, however it's not interesting for you nor bankable.

2nd solution: Shai is a unique class remember ? Time to develop a unique feature ! Wait wait it's UWU bankable.

Create a Family TAG Shai system; there will be one dedicated slot to tag a Shai only.

With this unique slot, All players will now have 2 tagged classes as before PLUS a dedicated slot to tag a Shai (including the possibility to spend pearls in costums, weight, inventory space).

The 1st solution just modify BlackStar Weapon, and will modify it's effect when Shai equip it.

The 2nd solution is more work and development but will allow players who already have 2 tagged classes to tag a Shai as a third character, and Shai-tagged player to have one more tag slot available.

More tagged character = more classes played = more possible investment in these classes = more commitment in the game = bigger community.

I'm not fond of promoting the 2nd solution, but if it's what it take to have a fair tag-system...

PS: English is not my native language sorry for the spelling mistakes.

Last Edit : Mar 2, 2023, 01:08 (UTC)
# 2

The bare minimum they could have done was to just let us tag aswell as buy the item marketplace (this last one is just insanely ridiculous how it's not possible to do).
The only thing preventing PA from doing so is their own stubborness, and that is very clear seeing PA's actions, and that answer as well.

Quite dissapointing.

Last Edit : Mar 2, 2023, 02:14 (UTC)
# 3

I'll support this thread but I'm pretty sure they're just going to re-iterate shai is a life skill class. I think a stronger focus of asking for more benefits in that area would have been a better use of your time. Having read your post, I can tell that you spent a lot of time working around the issues concerning the Sol and Tag System. Unfortunately, it would seem PA does not see this issue as prohibitive to shais but only seems to recognize how 'special' it makes her when other classes cant tag over to Shai. The fact that Shais cannot tag over to any other class is a question I doubt they even understand or if they do then I'd be even more shocked by how easy it has been for them to dismiss the complaint for nearly 5yrs now. If I had to guess, they probably consider it fair because the Shai doesn't have to pay for the oil completely missing the extra V Blackstar and Garmoth Heart we have to get just to be in the best gear on our tag character.

If they're going to call us a life skill class then the least they could do is design the shai to be very good at that role.


Quite disappointing indeed. 

Last Edit : Mar 2, 2023, 15:52 (UTC)
# 4

?1

From one level 66 shai who regularly smashes his face into the wall to drive good shai changes, to you who is a level 65 I say this...

Godspeed and goodluck, may your message be heard by the right people. 

Last Edit : Mar 2, 2023, 16:18 (UTC)
# 5

I only have a level 60 Shai, but I will definitely lend my support to this cause.  I can understand PA's stubbornness, though I do not support it.  To do that would exoncertate many of the crazy changes we've seen them doing lately.  They seem to get this idea that seems good to them, and they will not let go of it, even if it makes no sense.  They also seem to be disconnected from theit game, because given the powercreep going on, Shai is no longer a "lifeskill" class.  So she gets combat exp from alchemy and gathering.  Big whoop.  Ever hear of "Hottime", PA?

Any class can lifeskill, and when an EXP event comes along, they only have to grind an hour somewhere to get the EXP a Shai gets given hours of lifeskilling.

So, PA, your powercreeping has made the Shai a meme.  And players don't appreciate that.  Please, make this game for the players, not yourselves.

Peace to all.

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