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Garmoth Hearts hit 1000 *updated 1170* preorders
Mar 13, 2023, 00:22 (UTC)
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Last Edit : Mar 14, 2023, 22:31 (UTC)
# 21
On: Mar 14, 2023, 22:24 (UTC), Written by Brassica

Yeah Id settle for anything, I just dont like that there is no agency for the player as demand grows and the odds of seeing one go lower and lower

Realistically in the Calpheon Elvia stage of the game... 9bil is super cheap for a Garmie Heart

Yeap, thats why a few people are against them changing it to much, unfortunately the value changes between awaken and offhand. One is extremely important the other is a mixed bag. Hence my comment about spec eva, since you have a dp meme its more useful then someone with just "normal" gear with a "normal" build , adjustments are needed but PA are ignoring the dp issue by using the words of "We dont want to cause a gear gap problem" considering it already exists but thats a different issue entirely.

I do think with the new region they will add a feature /method to getting a second garmoth heart since kr has issues garmoth hearts to. Either that or vells heart both need some type of system to be guranteed even if its 25% more expensive an abit time consuming 

Last Edit : Mar 15, 2023, 15:01 (UTC)
# 22
On: Mar 14, 2023, 21:38 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

Stamina an hp arent going to make much difference either unless your 700gs or higher and even then one shot meta  it means nothing an in PvE thats debatable. Stamina may help some classes but even then its not enough to be worried about compared to other upgrades (depends on gs)

Stamina is very important for some classes. You forget that it is responsible for a lot of quick moves and some skills.

On: Mar 14, 2023, 21:38 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

Before Senemedar decides it doesnt exist and that its impossible proof, Crow's Keepsake is the quest/knowledge :

And again those lies because I've never written anything like that, so read with understanding:  impossible to complete for many players (getting 50 turo hearts solo for some classes is unfeasible). Just because you completed them doesn't mean 100% of players did. There was a whole topic about it here to change Turo to a solo zone.


Also most of these quests are pointless since they make us pay for this heart. 

Dark Spirit's Greed x70 - big loss.

100 of Wind, Earth, Water, and Tree - loss (fortunately not very big).

Hesed's Crystal x10 - loss (but almost none because Black Energy Residue has no value and no greater use anyway).

Concentrated Boss's Aura x5 - big loss.

Concentrated Magical Black Gem x100 - extreme big loss.

Magical Shards x50 - loss (currently lower due to increased crystal drop (but a loss is a loss).

Alchemy Stone Shard x1,500 - big loss.

Cantarnia's Crystal x9 - a completely absurd quest that costs us 4,5b, so only this one quest is already 50% of the heart value.

Summary: I've counted it a long time ago and in total these quests cost us about 80% of the market value of a heart.

So what are these quests for? Let's just add garmoth heart to buy from NPC.

Conclusion: before the heart drop went to zero after adding these quests, heart cost around 7-8b, and there were always some hearts on the market. Even today I remember how I had a problem to sell them, I even made an inverted one but there were no takers for it either.

Last Edit : Mar 15, 2023, 12:14 (UTC)
# 23

Add Garmoth's Heart and Vell's Concentrated Magic into Crow Coin shop alongside with the current Khan's Concentrated Magic

Last Edit : Mar 15, 2023, 18:18 (UTC)
# 24
On: Mar 15, 2023, 11:55 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

Stamina is very important for some classes. You forget that it is responsible for a lot of quick moves and some skills.

And again those lies because I've never written anything like that, so read with understanding:  impossible to complete for many players (getting 50 turo hearts solo for some classes is unfeasible). Just because you completed them doesn't mean 100% of players did. There was a whole topic about it here to change Turo to a solo zone.


Also most of these quests are pointless since they make us pay for this heart. 

Dark Spirit's Greed x70 - big loss.

100 of Wind, Earth, Water, and Tree - loss (fortunately not very big).

Hesed's Crystal x10 - loss (but almost none because Black Energy Residue has no value and no greater use anyway).

Concentrated Boss's Aura x5 - big loss.

Concentrated Magical Black Gem x100 - extreme big loss.

Magical Shards x50 - loss (currently lower due to increased crystal drop (but a loss is a loss).

Alchemy Stone Shard x1,500 - big loss.

Cantarnia's Crystal x9 - a completely absurd quest that costs us 4,5b, so only this one quest is already 50% of the heart value.

Summary: I've counted it a long time ago and in total these quests cost us about 80% of the market value of a heart.

So what are these quests for? Let's just add garmoth heart to buy from NPC.

Conclusion: before the heart drop went to zero after adding these quests, heart cost around 7-8b, and there were always some hearts on the market. Even today I remember how I had a problem to sell them, I even made an inverted one but there were no takers for it either.

I was basing it on what your normal wording is.

No it shouldnt be in a npc shop either, its a boss item.

Last Edit : Mar 15, 2023, 20:56 (UTC)
# 25
On: Mar 13, 2023, 08:48 (UTC), Written by CatDK

They could just increase the price cap and it's k.

that won't help at all. it's still the same amount of ppl needing the heart.

Last Edit : Mar 15, 2023, 21:39 (UTC)
# 26
On: Mar 15, 2023, 18:18 (UTC), Written by TitanOfWar

No it shouldnt be in a npc shop either, its a boss item.

Yes, but heart should be a reward, and in such quests it's just a purchase. Currently these quests (not counting Dark Spirit's Greed) cost us over 7,75b. 

Last Edit : Mar 15, 2023, 21:55 (UTC)
# 27
On: Mar 14, 2023, 22:04 (UTC), Written by Brassica

Even though that isnt really the focus of this thread.

This thread is about the shortage of Hearts being so staggering that preorders jumped over 20% just between these last two Garmoth events, which werent event that far apart. More importantly to illustrate that even a 7x garmoth event couldnt keep up with new demand alone.

I am not saying that garmoth drop rate shouldn't be increased but I DISAGREE with this reasoning - you would need to compare PO numbers at a time some weeks after such event.
This is a trait of this marketplace system: when there is an increased production of for example garmoth hearts (because of the event) then there is also increase in PO because ppl who would need to freeze those 9b for a month in hopes to get a heart now can freeze this silver for a week and have ~same result in the form of probability in succesfully buying the heart.
Not even mentioning that such events spread awareness of this item and have a psychological impact of hyping players to get the heart for themselfs - further increasing number of POs.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2023, 03:23 (UTC)
# 28
On: Mar 15, 2023, 20:56 (UTC), Written by PureOfHeart

that won't help at all. it's still the same amount of ppl needing the heart.

Well, I do have a couple of spare hearts on warehouse.. In fact, I'm actually waiting on PA to increase the cap on the heart before selling those.. I'm sure there might also be other players around with the same mindset as mine.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2023, 08:52 (UTC)
# 29
On: Mar 16, 2023, 03:22 (UTC), Written by Yorivel

Well, I do have a couple of spare hearts on warehouse.. In fact, I'm actually waiting on PA to increase the cap on the heart before selling those.. I'm sure there might also be other players around with the same mindset as mine.

And who will buy them?

With the exception of this one quest involving Turo's hearts, everything else is simple and requires only: 8b and some grinding (and time).

I gave the "price list" above and the rest is:

400 Intact Nouver's Reverse Scale - easy, just grind boss

Kill 10 000 Ahibs - boring and pointless but easy

100 of Wind, Earth, Water, and Tree Spirit Stone Fragments - common drop so just grind

Black Energy Residue - common drop so just grind

Reach Lv. 62 - with many exp event and scrolls, even if you play 1 hour a day you can level up from 61 to 62 in two weeks.

Last Edit : Mar 16, 2023, 12:04 (UTC)
# 30
On: Mar 16, 2023, 08:50 (UTC), Written by Senemedar

And who will buy them?

Oh I don't know.... Around 1k+ players seem to want one..

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