SO, for my ranger I have had TET since forever, and it's all DR stuff because I got some on the drop, so I just ended up there. Other than PEN BHEG which I would prefer to keep for the acc (matters or na?), how much evasion is necessary, how much is just useless? I don't have end game money, but I got enough free stuff to prol pen all my armors. 1.5-2b per tap is actually p low considering how much money you can pull. I'm not too worried about PvE, either. I've been running 301-309~ dp forever. I def wanna be over 301.

But beyond that, I dunno what an optimal crystal set up is or anything. This is kind of like Guru Gathers... or some of the other stuff I decided, that I would spec eva when I could. It's not really about being 'da bess' as long as it's not ineffective. And I would like to know what the 'ok' number is vs most pvpers not the top .1%. Accuracy would be nice, too.

Evasion on succ ranger is a bit troll. Especially since you said you dont have a lot of silver.

A couple of points about evasion:

1. Useful when playing a bruiser type class with focus on disrupting, not damage

2. Only works when stacked. Low levels of evasion are negated entirely by the average opponents accuracy. PEN C9 is the lowest level of eva that is feasible, and it is not better than its DR equivalent. A good eva build is c20 eva with eva accessories

3. Evasion works when the class has evasion passives. There are exceptions, but they are rare

4. Evasion works better when the class has few gaps in protections, as it mostly protects from trading damage, while combo damage can still kill a lot of hybrid eva builds

5. Using evasion leads to a loss in damage. Classes whose strength is almost entirely in damage do not really benefit from that tradeoff.

Succ ranger is a ranged damage dealer with low defense, no eva passive, and no need to be in the way of trading damage, as she needs to kite away instead. She benefits from AP and some accuracy, much more than from defense. Not matter how much defense she builds, she will likely still end up being onecomboed. She has a bunch of gaps in her protections, so she will get CCd against any opponent who manages to bridge the gap.

Aka, succ ranger doesnt benefit from evasion and is hurt by the damage loss from going for eva builds. Especially when you can only afford a low level of eva gear, you will basically become less efficient by going for an evasion build instead of a DR build, in both pvp and pve. I dont recommend you swap to evasion at all.

I'm going TET--> Pen. I mean, I'm not making 1.5b an hour haha. I can get silver. I'm not gonna spend over 15-20 on something tho, that's nuts. So, it's really so bad that you need max caph to get eva? I trade dmg a lot. I'm not gonna let someone run up on me haha, I fire pot shots and get out. I'm def not worried about people comboing me cuz that's my mistake and DED. So, you think c9 is basic, c9 all eva gear + all eva crystal (I don't even know how to do crystals anymore?? do you just slot them in those set ups? lol Did it remove all my crystals?! :o THIS GAM B CHANGING.)

If I could doj a few hits... I mean I understand eva cuz I've fought it haha. Ble, I could just stay with 301 and then continue to push AP. Get my 600 gs lol. SHUD DO MY DAMN JOURNALS.

I can't imagine what level of dp would allow me to survive vs a combo tho, man, haha. There are plenty of people who just melt me thru an e (I use e to lick shots sometimes) 2 hits, one to break the guard, the next to finish me. If people get on me, tho, I don't care if they got 220 ap or whatever I'm probably gonna get thrown around for awhile. That's the only benefit I'd get from raising my dp to like 320-330 is to be able to fight back vs people who aren't geared. I'd rather be able to dmg people who are.

Can you post the number of eva? I could find this online, but interested in your take. But yea, I'm not gonna prol ever have the dp that allows me to take hits vs geared players, esp not close. I'm not a siege/nw player just a troll player.

Mainly, I don't wanna die to splash dmg or return fire haha. I know when to committ and actually output dmg and not die (unless I get splashed,) but the plan is def to get more pens and caph more. What kinda DP you think, then?

1200 is the evasion that start to work. Im a kuno with 1150 evasion, self buf and evasion artifact. ( I dont have leeburs cos I need some accuracy) and 388 DP. At this point I still get 1 to 3 skilled from some players. Som low GS players cant harm me ofc. To be honest I start to feel little tankier after 380 DP, before that on like 350-360 DP I couldnt even SA trade. Thats how stats works on this game- untill one point they are uselsess.

Im gona tag my ranger on kuno's gear today or tommorow and Im gona tell you how it feels.

Yeah, eva on succ ranger is not a good call in any situation.

The benefit of eva in 'competitive' (i.e. not ganking gearlet) PvP is being able to trade damage. But you shouldn't be trading damage in melee range on a succ ranger, because if you try, you'll just get CCed due to the lack of protection the class has and/or do no damage. 

What you want to be able to do is kill people quickly at range. If you go eva, you need so much eva to be relevant, you'll have to give up on both accuracy and AP. Meaning you'll no longer kill people quickly at range, and be largely useless, particularly against anyone who's also eva.

There *is* an argument for eva building on awa ranger, since whilst awa ranger is not the best class for it in terms of self-buffs, it is one that benefits from being able to trade damage and tankiness, as it's not exactly got the best abilities to quickly extract itself from a fight. It's also got fairly obscene combo damage and innate accuracy, meaning there's a bit of a buffer in losing AP and accuracy before it becomes a problem. 

The only reason to take it on succ though would be to troll gearlets. Even then, if you can afford the eva gear to do that, you could also afford the acc/AP gear to one shot them, and that gear would also be useful in actual PvP and grinding.

I am going to be good with 301/309 dp until I hit like 380 like dude said haha. I am playing a bit of a different game than you guys. You probably say solo succ ranger is dead in the water, and that's true, but you have to be able to get some shots off, sometimes. Then you can just infinitely camp in a lot of cases.

To me 'trading' is poking my head out. I'm not jumping into a group pvp situation until I know my dmg is necessary, even if I get shredded half way thru applying it. Ranger has some pretty obscene range with some skills.

My goals are "not die to splash dmg!" that is, accidental death basically, having to worry about dying to aoe stuff cast on other people. I don't know what dp is required for that, but I can't imagine it's anywhere near something I can afford atm. I'm moving into PEN armors and just going to caph my weps. Accessories... ahhh, eventually? I just want to have a chance of survival, you guys are saying if I went full pen eva gear w/ bhegs for accuracy that it would be 100% bad, regardless of how caphed it became?

I can promise you I'm never gonna be invested in this game enough to get the kinda gear to survive being focused. I am playing open world pvp style. You guys are saying eva won't help even in some situations? Sucks. Also, what's accuracy number you want to hit people in general.

Evasion succ ranger is literally griefing yourself into being completely useless both in pvp, sieges, nodewars and pve. Even lifeskilling is worse on evasion ranger. 

Stop it, just deal with it that you jsut die from 1 skill from any class.

I didn't dislike your post if you think I did haha. I like this post. I guess the theory IS... yeah you die from 1 skill or a few, but I mean I'm saying if people hit me only 85% of the time instead of 100% of the time, the way I play, that would be huge. That would get me kills and be enough to troll someone out of a spot. I just need a CHANCE to get a skill off. I know I'm not gonna be able to get there with full pen DR. Obv, cuz I'm still in almost all TET haha.

If it has no tangible effect like you guys are saying, then that's different, but I dunno how many of you guys have ever played... your whole bdo life knowing that if someone touches you, you turn ghost. My boy got 'decent' dp like 340 or something and was still getting rekt vs a 240 ap tamer, and he was awk. Anyway, if evasion offers any actual evasion... I'm not trying to live my life like HEHEHE U CAN'T HIT ME, but just shrugging off a couple hits... it doesn't happen?

I would never build full eva ranger at the expense of damage. I am saying til I get my DP to like 350 now... I'm gonna get melted by even litely geared people. I'm cool with that, cuz I can move, and I am still building enough dmg to get people consistently. And that's REALLY FAR away. I know it's late in the game so it's not much anymore, and I never thought I'd get 300 ap, but I think I prol will if I don't quit. The thing is, then, how to maximize survival with armor sets? I know I'm never gonna be tanky haha.

I want some REAL DATA. But I def see the overwhelming PoV is no. However, I'm def not sacrificing for a 1200 eva build or w/e. I'm saying do you get ANY decent eva rate, cuz if you die in 1 hit... not getting hit is a big bonus! Even if it's 5% of the time lol. Esp vs dying in one hit 100% of the time.

Ya as someone who enjoys awk ranger more I might swap to evasion just to have the ability to take more hits while I sit in my lingering super armor.  but as any ranger knows even with evasion CC = you are dead. Personally I think the biggest help AWK can get from PA right now would be an evasion passive or  Q buff is good but it only lasts for so long. having the ability to scale with it would make her more relevant in bigger fights rather then strictly 1v1s.  I pray PA eventually gives awk ranger this.

but even going evasion I am a twig if I dont build more into it with minimal  a centaur belt and  evasion offhand prob also a protection stone.  The thing with the game now is I can swap crystal sets on the fly there is no Shot that the 25 additional accuracy from bhegs is gonna make running evasion any worse then DR when playing Succ. succ ranger is positioning if you position wrong you are dead whether you have DR or evasion you get 1 tapped for even breathing.

So for me I think it makes sense to swap to it because I like awk more and I can sit on my copium until maybe one day awk ranger gets the evasion passive she desserves.  but saying that 25 acc and minimal DR boost will be the difference of me living and dying in Succ in capped wars I just doubt it.