You need ~450b to reach 700 GS. Grinding 8 hours daily will give u around 6-9b later is much more without any extra loots, free items, free scam chests in reality will be more. If you are try hard easily u can reach 700+ GS in 55-70 days. Casual like me reached 675 in 4 months.. but I dont have time and will to nonstop grinding. Currently on my main I have duo labreska and FG, c9 boss shoes and hands, full cups in tet yellow accesories+ pen jetina ring, fiery awa weapon, exalted Vell Heart, target openings combo in artifacts. My Stats 285/285/390. I play casually 1-3h per day. My only bad feedback is about PvP gear should not have such huge impact in this content I understand someone can be stronger to reward his time, but situations where I cant even hit him are sorry.. but they are dumb.. 

thread derail again, lets bring it back!

PA assumed we rather go to other spot than lose some imaginary AP, instead we stay and bully gearlets away from the spots. who could see that coming ( well its diffirent in KR so there is that).

To be honest my firm believe is that the original creator of the caps are long gone and current devs just do it just "thats how it has been".

Imo main problem is:

We are 2nd class customer, in KR they have different gaming culture and lots of "our" problems dont exist in KR and our gaming nerds will never protest next to their office building and create negative press on the KR stock.

Even tho (dont know if true) west makes way more money we are still treated like some gringos.

Senemedar is right on that. But as usual BDO veterans are to deep in the game, that they can't think factual as a new player standpoint.

Watch any mmorpg magazine or influencer that play many mmorpg as their job (press people)... Or play any other mmorpg yourself.. Then you would actually realise how stupid the bdo progression is. But if you only play bdo 24/7 of course you don't see the problem and think everything is easy and fine...

It's like a math professor going to pre-school kids and try to tell them about surface integrals... They don't even know division, but you come with integrals...

That's why I personally don't like the current bdo twitch or influencer scene, they all spoiled and to deep in the game. There is no casual bdo influencer left. They would know what a shore bdo is.

First seasonal is not catchup.... Atleast in 2023..  People who say seasonal is catchup would buy a new computer and get windows XP As catchup instead of windows 98.  Meanwhile everyone run windows 11.

The season is an old outdated construct that got added almost 2 years ago.. It's nothing new and fresh. The magnus would be a catchup. But seasonal, that's just a protected environment for pvp. Or in other words a reskinned olvia server with special event...

Second, yes the veterans say tuvala pen is free and easy. Of course they do, cause they archived it.... "if I have it, it can't be hard right".. That's most people's logic.  So let's wait a few months until a guy gets pen fallen God, what then😅? It's easy now too???

NO!!! The difficulty of an system is not changing if people beaten the system... It's the same as before.

For a new player season is a chore, I just remind to the final fantasy streamer. He failed pen naru, failed again, and again until he got pri.. He was so frustrated he uniszslled the game, and went back to final fantasy. Negativ progression is a big nogo for the majority of players...

I failed pen tuvala myself on a 240 stack, but luckily got it on my 278. But sure it's easy people say... No it's not easy.... It's rng.  But that's same player logic I described above. "if I have it, it's easy... Right"..  No, it's the opposite..

Third, "just buy it", that's not an option, everything expensive, people want to play the game now, and not stockpile silver for 5 years so they can finally start playing...

I always cringe if people come with "don't use the fails tack, it's to high, use it later..." WHAT? You literally telling people, sorry it's to high now, don't play the game anymore, need start from scratch again..

THERE IS No "to high", it's a video game, people want to play and have fun. And if you want the pen tuvala or the +10 fishing rod, or the pen fallengod, or the +15 yuri.. It's all the same. The goal is to succeed the enchant.. So obviously you should use the biggest stack you have, cause you want to succeed.. Why would you handycap yourself for stuff that might happen in 10years...

It's like saying: 90% chance you get 1000$ now or 9% chance you get 100000$ in 5 years...

Everyone can decide for them self what they prefer.. There is no to high or to low.. It's a video game.

ALSO, if pearlabyss wouldn't want that people use 100 stacks in naru, they would remove the option, or make it 100%... But they didn't, so if the option is there, you can't blame people to use the option. But hey maybe pearlabyss see me clicking pen tuvala in a 278 and they finally change the system? Who knows.

We need more new people on bdo, the world feels empty and dull, the big streamers like asmingold meming at bdo.. Cause it still has this preditary systems.

A good catchup in 2023 would be,

Scrab this whole season thing, and implement it as novice olvia.

Extend the growth pass, that reach people about the game, and remove jetina.

The whole new player guide/tutorial/experiencshiuld be mix of story and growth pass objectives. No mindless jetina weekly or dailies. If someone want to play a bdo marathon and do the whole growth pass + full msinstiry in 24 hours, they should be able to do that.

If full growth pass is done (magnus should be inside the pass too), you should have full pen caphra level 4 bossgear, pri godr weapons, full pen capotia, a vells, a garmoth, a 100% discount coupon on any pearlshop costume, Tri Set of manos gear, a t8 corseur, an epheria sailboat, level 65 with 1500 skill points, chose infinite potion box, chose map/compass/ring box and 500 Energie.

That would be a reasonable catchup for 2023. This whole pass should be doable in like 2(50h playtime) weeks for casuals, 3h per day playtime. Or 1-2 says for hardcore Marathon gamers.

And as usual all the people that disagree with the spoiled veterans get down votes, feel sad for senedezar, I am used to it... And then people wonder why pearlabyss ignores feedback... Cause good feedback gets down votes by the spoiled veterans, who have the "I struggled, do everyone else need to struggle too attitude"....

 Guess what.. Most people who write and read the forums are the veterans, cause the casuals have no energy to make feedback, they just quit and search other game... BDO Forums is an echo chamber, and if someone from outside the chamber enters and want to spread facts they get down voted... Classic...

In the long run pearlabyss will realise this, the game needs to be appealing for new players, not for the veterans who have everything. New players spent money, not the veterans who has all costumes....

See the chart. 

As for P2W or luck, thats cap.

Personally, I needed 70 attempts for my two PEN BS. I did not sell a single pearl item for that, or buy any outfits to melts. I did not succeed with a hammer either. And I dont play the game like a second job, I grind maybe one hour every 2-3 days.

As soon as you know how to progress efficiently, progress becomes possible. I am by far not the only player I know that players BDO fairly casually, but can still progress well enough towards the 700 GS, at which point progress becomes a lot slower. Which is a pretty good point to be at, as it allows someone to do all content in BDO, given they put some effort into their skill level and understanding of the game mechanics as well.

Also I fundamentally disagree with the statement that "every player needs to get endgame gear". Every player needs to have the possibility to get it, yes. But this is a progress-heavy game. So to progress, you need to work for it. You do not get everything for free. Imo, you should be able to get everything without P2W, but other than that, having to work for it is in line with the philospophy of this type of game.

BDO would be dead if everyone could get full PEN BS, Accs, Debos, FG within a year. Because no one would play to progress, while "progress" itself is the content of the game.

Everyone should also have access to the baseline of gear, that allows one to play the game. That is basically Tuvala, or rather, the Jetina PENs, Magnus PEN and other welfare gear. You can do 80-90% of content in the game with that gear, except some of the elvia spots / elvia dungeons, and open world PvP / uncapped NW & Siege.

Progress beyond that should be hard, but not unreasonable. Which it isnt, otherwise we would not have as many people in that range.

We can even see this reasonable progress when looking at the statistics:

We can see here the amount of players in % depending on GS range, over a time spam of around 1.5 years. As you can see, the amount people in the gear span above 600 GS increased quite sharply within this rather short period of time (from <25% of the playerbase to >50%), while players below 550 GS (aka season gear) went from around 40% to only around 15%.  The sharpest growth of players was between the ranges of 650-700 GS. This shows three things:

1. The minimum baseline of gear shifted upwards

2. Progress is not only definitely possible, but also achievable for the majority of players in a reasonable amount of time

3. Those with the highest investment in the game (money or time) have moved on to the last stage of gear, which at slightly below 10%, is still a fairly high amount of players

In the end, the TLDR is simply: I dont agree with your premise that progress should be achievable with no effort, and the stats show that even in the current state of the game, progress is possible for the majority of players anyway.

Yea nice try, but that graph is global... AND progression in Korea is higher then here, cause they have the game longer...

All this graphs shows that more then 50% of people are below 650. And that's bad. Considered that odylitta and winterzone you need have like 700gs+ to have a good time... Kinda sad to see that lass then 50% of players can do the content released last 2 years...

I am still waiting for a catchup event. Stuck at 600 gs since over year, will not go for pen yellow accs or pen blackstar lol... That's only options for whales.

What... So change bdo to not be a kr grinder(which it is.) an give away treasure items to new players lmao... What.Okay so you want all players who have never played the game to be shoved straight into the deep end so shoot them in the foot an hit them with the hardest object you can find making them not want to play the game cause they think its easy?

Giving every new player the compass/map or ring lmao what. Thats like going to any other mmo an getting full end game gear in a hour an your finished? Do you maybe think bdo is designed for players to grind to get achievements not be a standard dead mmo ? Also giving a coupon for 100% of a costume , deffinitley wont get abused.... Do you even play bdo? Do you even know the main fundamental of the game you just removed? Grinding for treasure items TO GET GEAR at the same time one piece gone. 

As soon as you start giving new players expensive items , they think everything is going to be given to them on a silver plater. This causes temporary influx of new players which will leave because they think they game is easy an isnt the type of game they were expecting , most who are new an want to play bdo know its a grinder hence reviews an gameplay footage. Changing the fundamentals of the game would instantly remove all their main playerbase. Temporary burst of new players sure will they stay . Most likely not as the end game isnt what they would expect.

Also 500 energy ? Really . Do you even know how the energy system works its based off knowledge how are you going to add this? Instantly give them 500 energys worth of knowledge making them not see half of the game. Knowledge grind is a thing. You just killed that piece of content with that suggestion.

Pri godr to make new players swipe to get that to pen yeah nah thats just cruel , not knowing how the enhancement system works then throwing them into that. But you complain about naru but giving them pri godr with no fs knowledge . Also they going to be permanently bound to a player or you going to crash the market with people spam creating accounts to post these on the market like the costumes.

Giving away garmoth and vells.. BiS items right.... Not at all trolling on that one.

Also if a Final Fantasy player was failling pen naru i want proof he quit cause i dont think this is accurate what two fails an quits? Or you talking about the dude who was enhancing tuvala an failed multiple times who was doing it for content an was heavily edited but you took the joke litterally?