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[Feedback] Succession Ranger class concept
May 4, 2023, 17:59 (UTC)
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Last Edit : May 8, 2023, 22:25 (UTC)
# 11
On: May 8, 2023, 22:20 (UTC), Written by WizardlyWays

The Drakania are a woeful enemy. One should be most leery when prancing about Archers and Rangers the same.

bro... 🤣🤣🤣

Last Edit : May 8, 2023, 22:46 (UTC)
# 12

rangers and archers are dog water I slap dat 🤬 with my ninja 😝

Last Edit : May 9, 2023, 13:19 (UTC)
# 13
On: May 5, 2023, 18:16 (UTC), Written by Lattesh

I am glad of your reply, ManOfKebab!

I am pretty sure devs have access to class stats during nodewar and sieges, considering your statement about "200 kills in 2 hours war".
In particular, its easy to check how poorly succession ranger behave in contents such as Arena of Solare, a game mode with equalized gear. This reflects largescale contents like nodewar and siege too, where the class is heavily reliant on class composition to perform (needs to get babysitted) while other classes have a better impact and a less class composition reliant state, such as drakania, succession sorceress or archer.

Lets talk about archer: a "slippery" class as you stated with pretty good mobility and heavy ranged damage. Not only that, the class have hp regeneration and quite some protected cc's (also while moving protected). 

Lets analyze what Walpurga stated:
"bro just buff everything bro trust me we should get musa SA on a ranged top fragging class bro"
We can clearly agree that he is trolling by doing a simple number comparison of skills between archer and succession ranger:

• Archer: 
Pre Awakening:
Piercing Cry: super armor movement, does stiffness, 3 seconds cooldown
Meteor Dive: super armor movement, does stiffness, 5 seconds cooldown
Steady Breath: iframe into super armor movement, its possible to choose between 3 buffs: all dp +15 for 10 secs, all ap +12 for 10 secs, hp recovery 300, 5 seconds cooldown
Glide: super armor movement, movement speed +10% for 5 seconds upon use, 2 seconds cooldown
Zephyr Leap: foward guard movement (great distance covered backwards), does stiffness, 6 seconds cooldown
Awakening:
Mountain Breeze: iframe into super armor movement, 8 seconds cooldown
Uproot (core version): super armor movement (great distance covered backwards), does floating, 7 seconds cooldown
Tactical Strike: iframe (at the start of the skill) movement, does knockdown, 9 seconds cooldown
Glissade: foward guard movement (slightly foward then backwards), does knockdown on last hit, recovers 50 hp per hit and ranged ap +12 for 10 seconds, 6 seconds cooldown

Note: every skill mentioned except for Glide do attack the enemy (example the skill casts hit with % dmg, its not a "only" movement skill etc)

Succession Ranger:
Call from Sky: super armor movement (moves foward by a very little, jump) no cooldown
Twisting Wind: super armor movement, 4 seconds cooldown
Raiding the Wind: super armor movement (after twisting wind or during a normal spacebar jump, moves by a very little) 4 seconds cooldown
Evasive Landing Shot: super armor movement (moves by roughtly half distance of Zephyr Leap) does -25% movement speed debuff, 6 seconds cooldown
Evasive Explosion Shot: Iframe movement (do cover less distance compared to Zephyr Leap), does stiffness (melee range), does -25% movement speed debuff (melee range), 7 seconds cooldown
Air Explosion Shot: super armor movement (moves by a very little when going backwards after Evasive Explosion Shot, moves foward after Call from Sky but has a weird fall animation and most of the time lets you stuck mid air), 12 seconds cooldown

Note: half of the skills do only move the character (no hp regen, no damage, no buffs) and only one skill does a cc

In conclusion WhySoSeeryus its not completely wrong regarding nerf archers instead of buff others but we have to take in consideration that archer got recently buffed (both in damage and movement) and that the game has alot of damage by many classes (not only succession rangers do damage/topfrag) meaning that super armor movement is not so op as stated by Walpurga: i suggest him to write a post about archers instead, comparing them to Musas

Arena of solare is way different meta compare to the other pvp scenes, only reason succ ranger can't be classified as broken in there, it is broken in large scale pvp. Now you don't wanna nerf anything yet to buff its protection and mobility while using aos as excuse. If we gonna start buffing classes based aos we have to buff, awaken sorc, awaken sage, awaken ninja, awaken/succ warrior, succ valkyre, succ drakania, awaken/succ guardian, succ woosa, awaken mae, succ striker, awaken mystic, more i can't remember from the mind.

Your argument bad because you just want your class to be buffed while everyone else here telling you that class wrecks havoc in large scale. Just because she got shadowed by Archer, meagu, succ sage, doesn't make ranger weak at all. 

As I said as long as they nerf succ ranger damage they can buff other aspect of the class. Like mobility more protection or even reduced range. 

Till that there is no point of buffing ranger. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say but I'm doubt 

Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 21:23 (UTC)
# 14

You're absolutely right.

0 succ rangers in top100 AoS
0
ZERO 
succ ranger peace of ...........
the weakest character. she is not capable of fighting 1 on 1. can only win over shai. BUT 2 SHAI > SUCC RANGER. any enemy will catch up with the ranger. ANY. warrior, zerk, ninj, dk, maegu, woosa, valk, drak, guard, ANY! new archer too. nice up archer btw, 1 shot = 10 kills.

i wanna did this too!!!!! 
how much longer to wait for improvement???
the deadest character. inept pve, inept pvp 1vs1, inept pvp 1vsX, inept pvp XvsX - the AoS is proof of that. any other character is better for nodewar/siege: a lot of hp zerk with 100 200 bsr, aoe+burst dmg archers, armor debuff corsair, fly and heal of drak, buff and heal and aoe wizz, movements+super armors+range maegu - any. again any char > succ ranger. 
but we will definitely wait for improvements.

I hope. 

Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 21:27 (UTC)
# 15
On: May 9, 2023, 13:18 (UTC), Written by ManOfKebab

Arena of solare is way different meta compare to the other pvp scenes, only reason succ ranger can't be classified as broken in there, it is broken in large scale pvp. Now you don't wanna nerf anything yet to buff its protection and mobility while using aos as excuse. If we gonna start buffing classes based aos we have to buff, awaken sorc, awaken sage, awaken ninja, awaken/succ warrior, succ valkyre, succ drakania, awaken/succ guardian, succ woosa, awaken mae, succ striker, awaken mystic, more i can't remember from the mind.

Your argument bad because you just want your class to be buffed while everyone else here telling you that class wrecks havoc in large scale. Just because she got shadowed by Archer, meagu, succ sage, doesn't make ranger weak at all. 

As I said as long as they nerf succ ranger damage they can buff other aspect of the class. Like mobility more protection or even reduced range. 

Till that there is no point of buffing ranger. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say but I'm doubt 

succ ranger is broken? SAY THIS TO 200 BSR OF ZERK. ALL RAID IS DEAD GAGAGAGAGAJAJAJAJA
succ ranger broken gagagagagaggaga u so funny, my little bun

Last Edit : May 12, 2023, 21:29 (UTC)
# 16
On: May 4, 2023, 19:32 (UTC), Written by WhySoSeeryus

god pls no. nerf archer instead.

so that there are again two characters who can't do anything. instead of one
u so genius!!! 
u'll get the Nobel prize! 

Last Edit : May 13, 2023, 11:31 (UTC)
# 17

I also think that Ranger lacks mobility in the succession (and in awakening too, movement is limited, to be honest, in comparison with other classes).

I think need to make cooldowns on the skills of Twisting Wind, Riding the Wind, Evasive Landing Shot and Prime: Extreme Charging Wind should be made in such a way that they can be used in a circle. And in this way she will be able to be constantly on the move. And on an Evasive Landing Shot, you need to increase the damage. Riding the Wind need to allow movement back.

Flow: Call from Sky to return the iframe, make it a CD for 5-7 seconds, and SA on CD. Now in this skill Ranger does not reach the ground, the animation is long, and if she is not killed before landing, then SA ends in the air and as a result Ranger catches SS in flight. in general, it works extremely poorly in combination with Flow: Air Explosion Shot if the ranger takes damage during their use. The animation of skills ends not on the ground but in the air and the animation of falling without SA is obtained. I hope that the return of the iframe will at least partially solve this problem. and so that she could jump not only in the direction where her gaze is directed, but in the direction where the sight is directed

The skill Prime: Ultimate: Blasting Gust needs to be changed so that it moves the ranger like the Trap of Vader skill at DK. And it was also used instantly, without this scrolling at the beginning.

And for the skill Prime: Tearing Arrow, remove CC, which hinders more than it helps, and instead make it SA for the entire time of its use.

On Prime: Ultimate: Descending Current to make SA.

On Prime: Regeneration to make SA. Speed it up. Maybe then it can be used and it will be of some use.

Prime: Razor Wind speed up the animation, again the ranger's problem, she sits in place for too long, which makes her a sweet target

and change Absolute: Death Kick so that it works like Meteor Dive (CC, SA, and increase the distance and speed of displacement)

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Last Edit : May 13, 2023, 11:34 (UTC)
# 18
On: May 9, 2023, 13:18 (UTC), Written by ManOfKebab

Arena of solare is way different meta compare to the other pvp scenes, only reason succ ranger can't be classified as broken in there, it is broken in large scale pvp. Now you don't wanna nerf anything yet to buff its protection and mobility while using aos as excuse. If we gonna start buffing classes based aos we have to buff, awaken sorc, awaken sage, awaken ninja, awaken/succ warrior, succ valkyre, succ drakania, awaken/succ guardian, succ woosa, awaken mae, succ striker, awaken mystic, more i can't remember from the mind.

Your argument bad because you just want your class to be buffed while everyone else here telling you that class wrecks havoc in large scale. Just because she got shadowed by Archer, meagu, succ sage, doesn't make ranger weak at all. 

As I said as long as they nerf succ ranger damage they can buff other aspect of the class. Like mobility more protection or even reduced range. 

Till that there is no point of buffing ranger. Hope you can understand what I'm trying to say but I'm doubt 

then why they buff archer mobility and damage? why he have much more cc?

the argument about the siege is weak, the archer and maegu have much better mobility and protection, but they are not inferior to the siege in efficiency and even prevail

and as for other classes, not only rangers make good kk, and even more, not all rangers make good kk, you also need to be able to play ranger well to make 200 kills in 2 hours

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Last Edit : May 13, 2023, 12:53 (UTC)
# 19

Yes. U need to play well on ranger to make 200 kills in 2 hourse, while 80% classes can't get that 200 kills even if played very well.
I think its better to nerf classes like archer, maegu, zerker, drakania instead of buffing ranger that is still better then 80% of other classes.

Last Edit : May 13, 2023, 15:50 (UTC)
# 20
On: May 13, 2023, 12:53 (UTC), Written by Mist22

Yes. U need to play well on ranger to make 200 kills in 2 hourse, while 80% classes can't get that 200 kills even if played very well.
I think its better to nerf classes like archer, maegu, zerker, drakania instead of buffing ranger that is still better then 80% of other classes.

don't worry, we're not asking you to make the ranger even stronger on sieges, give her damage,range or aoe like an archer, we're just asking to make her less vulnerable so that she can set something against classes like kuno, ninja, musa, zerker, drakania, the same maegu and other fast classes that can easily to get to her and do with her what they want.

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