Seems that there are a lot of people on here who just auto down vote any thread suggesting improvements for a class that has fallen behind.

It isn't 2017 anymore, and the meta has shifted. Nearly all specs of all other classes have been given improvements to catch up to the current game except for wizard and witch.

Witch and wizard are still S/A+ tier for NW and siege. Don't need pvp buffs.
Just because there are some classes that are now stronger(zerk,valk,drak,maegu,archer) it doesn't mean that wiz and witch should now be buffed to drakania or archer level and be S+ tier forever like were for like 3-4 years before.
Nerf S+/S tier classes and buff B/C/D tier classes to A level, just it. Balance it, don't make new OP classes...

Normally I would agree, but that's clearly not where pa is taking the game as they keep making more and more "op classes"

At this point, it is over half the roster and growing with no nerfs in sight, so the best we can really hope to do is take classes lagging behind and suggest changes to get them caught up. 

If you do want to talk node war and siege tho. Ranger, Archer, Maegu, Zerker, and possibly Woosa now do better for ranged damage, and having a single shai gives more value than speed spell could. Multiple classes provide party healing, some with super armor healing.

What does that leave? An 8 second damage reduction buff with 2.5 min cd?

Even in capped siege and nodewar, you can expect to see almost nothing but a string of "Miss" when shooting at people who are chunking your hp with every skill at the same time. And I am not just talking about walls like striker or mystic.

The class needs help. In the case of succession, it is mainly a some numerical help, but it needs help.

Edit: and what about outside of nw and siege? If you are trying to mind your own business grinding, and someone shows up to push you out of your spot. there's nothing you can do if they can damage you and you can't damage them because pa keeps adding % evasion buffs to other classes after having gutted succession wizard/witch accuracy

It is frankly insane that you can go to nodewar and siege and be unable to hit people despite being at the caps for everything.

As someone who has been playing Witch (Both succession and awakening) for about 6 years now, the recently added crystals just completely killed any motivation for me to even continue playing.

Witch is the class that i have always loved and played through every nerf, every buff and every change. I have invested a lot of time into her, never rerolled away from her and i have barely touched the tag system but frankly after this LoML update it feels like there is 0 point in playing this class unless you just want to PVE in awakening all day.

I exclusively play uncapped content and right now the lack of accuracy and damage in succession after this update is extremely prominent. Awakening has a lot of different problems but i won't even bother to go into those.

All these extra stats they added via crystals, books and the 3-set armor are just extremely powerfull for evasion classes, decently beneficial for the actual DR heavy classes and absolutely useless for a select range of classes such as witch and wizard.

I'm already using a pen accuracy accessory and i tried using the accuracy offhand as well but frankly it feels like i'm splashing water against a concrete wall both when fighting evasion classes and proper DR/shield classes now.

I spend a lot of time on garmoth looking at the evasion/accuracy calculator and well.... even if we went 6x accuracy accessory (900 billion investment) we would currently still only end up on 60-70% hitrate against someone on an evasion class who spent 60 bill on a sicil, centaurs and these crystals.

Going these crystals ourselfs will indeed make us also a little bit more durable but the benefits we get out of these crystals are very very small because we don't really scale well with anything defensive-wise. We have no evasion passives, no evasion buffs, no crazy DP buffs and pretty much everyone has very very good class mod's against us.

We desperatly need our evasion debuff to be better and on a ranged skill, and we need to get an accuracy buff from somwhere. Having just a 6% debuff and nothing else is completely oudated with all the evasion they keep adding. (Yes a select few other classes have this problem right now also and i agree that they also should be getting some extra accuracy)

With the way how these % buffs work, even if the debuff was 9 instead of 6 and if we had a 9% buff from somewhere, it would probably already be enough to be able to do atleast some damage again.

I mean you get classes out there like sage with 18% buff and 18% debuff or rangers with 12% debuffs and 12% buffs excluding addons.

These are also in the same boat as witch when it comes to having pretty much no defensive passives and skills but atleast they get to damage evasion builds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ2beINnZck

You could pick any recent video from Ohni and it'd showcase the same thing. More than half the clips are against the strongest guild in the game. His build is 5 accuracy accessories while still maintaining 309 ap. This doesn't require any Deboreka accessories. He effectively deletes clumps of people who all have the same level of gear as him. The class needs investment into accuracy. Awakening Berserker is an absurdly broken class and it still does very little ranged damage to evasion players if they're not invested into accuracy aswell, you still need to be able to get a stomp headbutt combo off which is infinitely harder to do than tping on someone and hitting aqua prison and blizzard. I understand you want the accuracy to be able to fight gauntlets but between the base DR and the ratios they have, you still wouldn't be able to kill them with equal gear without E buff and a perfect combo, and I believe Pearl Abyss is okay with that. It's fine for your class to have an area where it is weak. Succession Mage received a free 3 minute cooldown secondary emergency escape effectively with the addition of the Archwizard tier teleport. That was a buff the class did not need. Accuracy is the sole thing these classes lack, and that can be made up for by stacking that very statistic. Other classes have functional weaknesses that can't be solved by silver. 

problem is witchzards have crippling class vs class modifiers vs most meta classes so they suffer from lack of damage regardless of gear for no other reason than devs wanting us to have big portion of clases as our predators on top of them having better kits to kill us. 

https://i.ibb.co/qNfTMG8/modifiers.jpg

Beats me how someone can think it's okay that some people need to "invest" 800 billion in accuracy to kinda somewhat counter 200 billion in evasion items and a few AP items. 1 Accuracy accessory is literally almost 3x the price of both evasion items. If these hybrid builds atleast didn't do insane damage to people with okay-ish DR it would be ok but the fact that someone with even just 277 ap can chunk me over 60% with 420 dp is just absolutely ridiculous.

And good on you for posting us some random montage of some apparently gearlord witch with those 800 billion worth of accuracy.

Anyone with any common sense at all knows that some montages do not represent what it's actually like to be on this class. Everyone can go record for a couple of hours and snip out 2-3 mins of some divebombs and a few outplays.

But my bet is that probably half or more of these clips are before everyone was on these new crack crystals.

Plus if you actually bothered to looked at the what is actually happening on the clips instead of only looking at the red kills notification you would see that almost half the clips he is E buffed and in majority of the clips he is not fighting by himself either, it's usually a group fight so other people are also getting focussed and other people are also doing damage. When you have a skill like blizzard with 40 hits it's normal that you will end up getting a lot of the last hits.

But it's okay, no one expects you to understand the struggles of other classes. I get it, you want guardian to be the best class but you don't have to worry, us getting more accuracy doesn't affect you in any way,shape or form so do everyone a favor and don't talk about problems of another class. And i suggest you stop watching your youtube montages because going around and pretending like you know what you are talking about and claim class X  is OP because you seen it get some kills in a montage just makes you look like a clown.

Awakening Kuno has neither evasion debuff nor accuracy self buff.

Most awakening Kunos nowadays lock Shadow Slash to allow us to swap to awakening stance with Half Moon and that means Heart Aim becomes unusable which is the 50% accuracy skill you were talking about. 

Pre-awakening is mostly just utility and some filler damage so those high accuracy skills there don't matter much either. 

All the pre-awakening skills with decent dps (DPS instead of damage cause they are often really fast skills or skills you can cancel or flow into other skills some way or another) have 0 or close to 0% accuracy. For example: Fatal Blow, Shadow Clone, Tendon Cutter.

Shadow Stomp does decent damage but you don't use it for damage, you use it for cc or movement. Using it in combos is griefing your combo damage because there aren't really good ways to combo with it.

Then you are left with Wheel of Wrath 30%, Lethal Spin Spree 15%, Moon Storm 11%, Lunatic Discuss 10%. If you compare that to the main DPS abilities of succ caster it's about the same, slightly more without evasion debuff and less with evasion debuff.

And now regarding self buffs. Awakening Kuno does have perma uptime on its 10% attack speed, 9% evasion and 10 AP self buffs, but succ caster has a lot more buffs: damage absorption from mana shield, resistances, 20 DP from Magnus ability, movespeed from blue orb, attack/cast speed from speed spell, another movespeed buff from speed spell. 

Both succ caster and awakening Kuno suffer from low accuracy in PvE. I gave up on Kuno PvE after I hit level 66, so I don't really care much about it anymore. Succ caster is a below average PvE class, but it could be worse. Awakening Kuno is a tragic combination of low accuracy, low aoes if you're forced to use more than 3 skills, no pulling ability, low damage, high cooldowns for how fast abilities are, so you're forced to rotate through your entire awakening and pre-awakening kit at spot with tanky mobs and at spots like oluns with Shai buffs you're running out of cooldowns all together, in addition to that because the abilities are so fast it's also high effort grind if you want to be efficient. 

I've fought this player on a hardcap Striker multiple times a week every week for the last year lol. I'm aware of the damage he does with or without ebuff. I never insulted anyone in my post but I guess you're upset I have a conflicting view. I understand it's more expensive and I agree evasion hybrid accessories should be more expensive. That seems like a more logical change than buffing a class where the players who actually make it work just ascend to being completely uncontestable if you aren't grabbing them. Guardian is just the character shown on my profile because I have the name.