Logged in and see elephants placed on roof again - week by week !!!

Today (27th of january) complete playerbase is gone only elephants on roof and no chat anymore on kama2 server !!!

Well done to this 4 or 5 players which killed a community spot for around 30 ppl or more !!!

Support in this game for payers - sorry players - can have fun ? Not present !

Think of it - it was a meeting point for ingame music composers too !

Sorry but i really hope someone post this problem we have on eu server on korean forum and developers can see - and solve it !

Hf@all

Hello friends,

This issue needs some attention as it is in my view online harassment. This may sound extreme but when you look at what is going on it is clearly visible.

But let me explain the situation to everyone else as right now I do not wish to be the "elephant in the room"

So on Kamasylvia server 2 there is a thing that started a while back in Velia. 

Players started playing music above tranan.

Great, Shais got to show off their music and DJing skills.

Other players noticed and started joining in, soon a little group of players formed which has turned into a bit of a local community.

This is the roof where players chill out.

https://youtu.be/dsWLS1-wcRE?si=f4P7KputiXigFWBC

And player events held, look at the amount of players here, I show this to provide everyone with an idea and what has resulted from the years of this group on the Velia roof playing music.

https://youtu.be/kbfgc7q8i_4?si=Itxy5chgdvDr8z7G

So clearly a fun place to be if you are into this kind of stuff?

The issue that has unfolded is that over time some players have decided to disrupt this spot. They do this with horses, wagons and guild elephants and even try to play music sounds, high pitched notes purely to cause annoyance. Why these players choose to disrupt a once peaceful spot makes no sense.

When no one is in the roof they seemly disappear.

Even more concerning is the fact that when this roof is overwhelmed with guild elephants forcing everyone to move to another spot guess what happens? The disruptive players also try to follow with their guild elephants or wagons.

That is harassment and pure spite by those players, they are actively trying to ruin the fun for a bunch of players that simply want to relax, talk and play music. This is what's happening on Kam2 server for those that were unaware.

What makes someone choose to be a nuisance and why disrupt a group of players?

Doesn't make any sense and hiding behind the game is also no excuse for such behaviour, it is wrong, they know it and at the moment are causing unrest in a community.

GMs please take note, I understand that players are free to park a wagon or elephant wherever but in consideration to the above there is a issue here which needs some direction and action.

Again, speaking as someone that apparently inadvertently "harassed" you. We have been velia rooftop RPing since this game released. Long before Shais popped up. Cannons, elephants and horses were part and parcel of rooftops. It's what you do. Any leadership player from a guild should be able to recognise the hundreds of hours spent running around on rooftops with their horse while chatting in meetings or similar.

Now, suddenly, I'm informed that elephants are griefing and "I should be banned". No msg, no explanation that this is specific to kama2. No, straight to "you know what you're doing and you shouldn't be allowed to play the game".

With this attitude, the first thing vets will think is "great, more tuvala Timmy/new gen players". Why? Because we have lost so damn much in the name of "fairness". We lost PvP PvE interaction. PvP priority. Class balance. We received op new classes, powercreep. We lost our ow pvp. We lost guild decs. Every single core part of this game is being ripped away in front of us.

And now people are beginning to touch velia rooftop rp. You have to understand; we have been RPing on our cozy rooftop way before these kama2 shenanigans happened. If you'd been civil and said "it's only on kama2 ok? We'll stay here, you guys chill on all the other ones"... You'd have at best 1-2 trolls.

But your "leaders" or representatives or whatever this forum post is, essentially declared war on a tradition of BDO and by extension the traditional playerbase. And they will fight back. You know this. The resurgence in world boss red killing, the elephant spam, it's all reactions to the continued toxic pressures new players place on this community.

"Removing elephants" is just another such stupid pressure.

You have completely mis-understood the issue so I will break it down to avoid further confusion.

A group of players play music at a location.

Someone decides to grief players with other loud music, wagons or elephant directly at there location.

Group of players move to another location and continue playing music.

Someone decides to grief these players again by following and moving there elephants to this new locations.

Group of players move again

Griefing players follow and scatter elephants at all various locations they were playing.

The pattern of behaviour displayed above is what is currently happening and it is deliberate, this needs to stop.

And to add further, no one is actually there "role playing" so why the afk elephants.

It's plain obvious, griefed by elephants by players that seem to want to disrupt another group of players.

Nothing has been misunderstood, and yes there are now players following you and placing elephants around. Because of your initial attitude and subsequent response.

I'm telling you that these actions are reactive to the continued alienation of a core player group, a group which sees people such as yourselves as responsible for all the negative changes to the game. Are you responsible? Perhaps, but likely not nearly as much as these people would give you credit for.

But even without the quasi guilty verdict, you have to understand that when you get trolled, you do not feed the trolls. You simply game on them, outplay them, ignore them or otherwise. You did exactly the opposite. You cried to GMs (and actually received a response, which didn't exactly help with the whole "new player favouritism" pov).

These issue is unlikely to go away. And if, if PA intervenes, it will be yet another failure on their part and further alienation of their playerbase. And touching velia rooftop RP is probably something that will attract more attention to that issue, assuming the playerbase doesn't die off in the meantime.

1 thing:

Last 2 years i spend alot of time on this roof on kama2. Have met really good musicans like Mia_Black, Bayres, Navien, Vodkastar, Lasttankstanding, ForgettableFool and many many others where playing there new songs while chat a little bit. They all fill up this music album and do a great work - for only 1 min ingame music they work up to 5 hours on a track (depends on how many istruments). AND many many other shai-musicans/players from not-eu servers was on this roof too and it was a really international community ! Musicans was able to do a few community events with "lifestream" and GM support cause we had a "spot" where we can met and talk about it ! And we had alot of fun there on this events with many many other players too which joined this events ! So kama2 velia rooftop community spot grown up to many many players !

And now elephants where placed again and again every week and we can do nothing to against it. Placing summoned shai with horrible sounds up to 5 min or place wagons/elephants on music playin shai and follow them on and on is pure ganking from those "shai haters".  The opinion "i can do it so i do it - its my right" doesnt work here ! This is pure ganking other players to force them away from their way to play this game and have fun on chat/music-spot !

Maybe there was a time where elephants and cannons where placed - ok - but why dont YOU change server ? Why only Kamasilva2 ? Why this only roof ? Why isnt not only 1 elephant parked on other servers on rooftop ? Did you follow other players on other servers same way with wagons and do you all play horrible sounds via summoned shai there too ? NO - you do it ONLY on kama2 !!!

Sorry but if this ganking goes on you loose alot of musicans which dont play the game in "your way" ! A few of em told me there are serval other games where they can go and can create there music too - so no wonder their onlinetime in bdo goes down to a few hours a month because your force them out of BDO with "your playstyle to deal with other players and music playin shai " !

NEVER really NEVER seen that a community spot gets destroyed in this way as it happen in BDO now ! So many hate/ganking from a few players to all players around to force em to leave kama2 velia - and BDO let it happen ... 

Thats the main reason i opened this thread !

Disrupting gameplay:

1) An act of disrupting the normal gameplay of a specific member or serval members by maliciously using the game/operating system

2) An act of constantly bothering or harassing a specific member or disrupting their gameplay

Depending on the severity of the issue, the Company may forcefully disconnect the user from the game and also give additional penalties

You all have accept this terms of usage ! Now think about it !

What should i say about bdo to new players with all this harassment and hate to my music/rp char ? What should i say about "international community" to new players ?

If some players only log in to ruin other players "gameplay" for many hours a day/evening - who needs em anymore ? May a hand full players do it - but they force many many other players to have a look at other mmos where they can spent their money ! BDO is not the only game where musicans can play/create music to entertain others ! And if you dont want to listen to shai musicans - theres an option you can disable their music - but shai musicans cant disable wagons, mounts, elephants !

I am really interessted what P.A. will do about this problems in future ! May they ignore it or will they find a solution ? But if this goes on - there is no community anymore cause if this community goes to another location ingame - this haters will always follow ! Do you really think this is "ok" ? A game where chat/music/rp spots for many players always will get ruined by "some" other players ? What will happen next ? Farmbots grindbots allowed cause they pay money for this game ? 

I really want to read a "statement" form P.A. in here !!!

But its nice to see that this post has1300+ views - so i think many players are interessted what p.a. will do now to solve this problem !

My initial attitude?

I haven't said or done anything to anyone in game, I dont speak to people I don't know or get involved in any trash talking that goes on and I have never in my life of BDO said anything horrible or bad to anyone. I am a passive player that goes to the roof so please don't assume that I have done something. I have also never seen anyone else say anything to initiate this behaviour.

I haven't "cried" to anyone or made contact with any GMs, I merely post on this forum to show what is happening right now and highlight a negative atmosphere that needs to stop. As to why and how this started and the motives, I do not know.

What I do know for sure is that there are players out there right now acting like fools and being disruptive to the game.

I will give you a perfect example based on what I just said, "I am a passive player that has no grief with anyone"

So why is it that if I choose to be at this location I have to put up with someone abusing the instruments and playing a high pitched sound?

What did I do for this?

Why am I hearing this?

The point I make is that the behaviour is affecting everyone, if you have grief with some players which based on your posts it appears you do,  please my message to you is sort it out and be the better person.

"You" and "your" being directed towards the kama2 group as a whole.

Again; an existing tradition of rooftop RP existed, long before your group was established.

This tradition is considered the norm among the veteran playerbase. Apparently, this tradition was found to be disruptive to specifically shai music on rooftops.

Now, you could already bring up arguments about 'why would you choose the most popular location for general rooftop shenanigans, for your music-based gatherings, knowing that these areas are prone to elephant/horse/wagon/cannon gatherings?'

But lets ignore that for now. Moving onto the initial encounter. As far as I can find a history, the first mention of the kama2 group on the NAEU disc is 6 months back. A singular player noting "hey, if you want to mess with some shai players, park your elephant on the kama2 rooftops". His message gained no response and as far as can be seen, no one really cared. We can extrapolate that, short of some small number of dedicated haters, your group was going under the radar and would likely be rid of targeted harassment within a month or two, through GM intervention or simply the few individuals being bored and finding something else to do.

However. This forum post was made. Now I'm not sure about the exact timeline between the two, ie if the forum post was a reaction to the player in question, or the player in question took action as a result of the forum post. But the forum post received an official gm reply, where other, in the eyes of veteran players more 'pressing' posts, did not. No doubt as a result of this forum thread and the GM attention, existing but uninvolved trolls would quickly flock to the oppertunity. I can imagine this has continued in some shape and to a varying degree of intensity since then.

But then we come to a more recent event, and my own anecdotal experience with the group. Assuming to have been joining the usual rooftop RP as is present in some manner on every other server, I initially said Hi, noticed the lack of elephants/cannons, ran off to fetch my guild's ele, and sat on it for a while happily chatting with players. No one made any issue of it, and why should they? Its a normal sight at any player gathering. After some minutes, I thought about my mini-elephant, and how fun those two would look together, especially without the war gear on the larger one. Ran off to Glish to go pick it up.

Upon my return, the guild elephant was gone; still visible on the map, but invisible as if banished from existence on the roof. A GM was sitting on the ledge nearby. Presumably, the GM had poof-ed away the elephant, but at the time I assumed it was just bugged. Now, things get interesting. Upon climbing the roof again and taking some screenshots with the GM and my mini-elephant, numerous players began spamming insults at me in whispers and some few in general chat. At this point I began asking what the deal was, and through much effort I formulated a half-answer regarding the kama2 group. One person mentioned the forums, "that they were flooded with reports about this issue" supposedly. I found only this forum thread.

And honestly? I'd have still been fine with it, chat pvp aside, you always encounter these rather odd groups of shai-led players... its what the newer shai communities, class discords and new-wave pve-players are known for...

But what really got me, is that these players attempted to stipulate rules for rooftop RP. And that they were advocating for bans to anyone using elephants on rooftops. This, for me, without any notion of the short existing history of this group, went too far. You can have your own group of players and spend time together as you wish, but you cannot claim to dictate how others should carry on traditional player-driven activities of the game in a hostile manner. Such actions are akin to painting an enormous target on your head and begging for both trolls and veteran players alike to unite against you. And it seems that exactly that happened. The messages were spread on discords, and now we have Kama2 velia rooftops 'flooded' with elephants.

Again. And I cannot stress this enough. The idea of the group is fine! But you cannot position yourself with so much entitlement and hostility towards the existing playerbase without alienating them. My advice? Go someplace else. Anywhere else. Drieghan, Grana, Calpheon. It will take some weeks before the trolls catch on en masse. When they do? The vets won't care. The content will be gone and frankly as long as you don't keep asking for absurdities like bans for elephants or mass-mutes, the issue will drop as soon as the few trolls that chased you lose interest (or are rightfully temp-banned for harassment).